Comment 2S8B Re: Java


Tiobe index shows Java and C++ slip in popularity


Java (Score: 4, Insightful)

by on 2014-09-10 12:43 (#2S7W)

I'm a Java developer for internal applications. There's nothing wrong with the language itself, but it's on its way out. Unfortunately there is too much instability when it comes to what people THINK Oracle is going to do with it. My corp. moved to java over a decade ago because it was free, available, cross platform and easy to learn. It looked like it would be supported well into the future. Then Oracle bought out Sun and now there's speculation that Oracle wants to split Java into "paid for" and "free" meaning there's a good chance anyone not paying for it are going to end up with an incomparable poorly supported version. Those doing the major development, like my company, will be forced into paying tens of thousands a year in licensing only to have to deal with supporting the people using our software under the "free" version. There's also the fear that Oracle will do what they do with their other products and split things out into separate modules with confusing license agreements. You'll end up needing everything and the licensing will be unclear. Make one bad decision, or include an unlicensed module you have access to, but aren't paying for, and Oracle will sue you into oblivion for licensing violations.

So of course with that expectation, we're planning for the worse case and have recently started training developers in several different languages to try and find one that might be a suitable replacement going forward. Ruby, Python and R our our top three choices at the moment. We're also looking at how difficult it'll be to provide software through web applications.

Re: Java (Score: 2, Interesting)

by on 2014-09-10 13:10 (#2S7Y)

That's insightful. Interesting how many stories involve Oracle's involvement being like the kiss of death. I know a good business manager who worked for Oracle at one point and he said even on that front, 'never again.' These high power manager/CEOs forget that their own personalities translate into corporate culture and eventually business practices. And if they're not careful, those practices can come back to haunt them.

I really miss Sun. I even bought StarOffice over OpenOffice to support the company that was making an office suite available for Linux and then going on to support the users. Oracle seems cold and distant and clueless and rather deaf to the concerns of its users.

Re: Java (Score: 2, Interesting)

by on 2014-09-10 14:41 (#2S8B)

Pretty much exactly that. I understand Oracle is business and is out to make money, and they do databases really well, but, "It's a trap!"

They get you in and locked into their stack of products then there's no getting out and they just suck the money and life right out of you all kinds of gotchas left and right.


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2014-09-10 19:26 Interesting +1

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