Poll - Pipedot

My main complaint with systemd (Score: 1)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-06 15:48 (#2WXH)

Is that it reminds me of substance D.

Guess my distro (Score: 1)

by ploling@pipedot.org on 2015-02-06 23:44 (#2WXZ)

I will avoid systemd at all costs, You might think I live in Soviet Russia when I say I won't run it because it has hookers (begging for digital STDs) and blackjack (taunting financial loss/downtime hell and you can't win) :3

So far my distribution is safe-ish until 2017 or so, maybe 2019 and I have some hope that they have the wisdom to avoid it since they and it exist because they've avoided other awful things of a similar nature. I think and hope Linux will survive (and systemd die) but it has made me more interested in BSDs and surprisingly GNU/Hurd.

If I ran serious servers I would have moved to BSD already. Congratulations to those that have. Thank you to the companies that have started offering BSD-based alternatives for their services.

_{Can you guess which distro I run? And hip hurray for the subscript button woohoooo!}

Re: Guess my distro (Score: 1)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-09 15:46 (#2WZR)

Hurd, seriously? There is less development on Hurd today than was being done on Linux was back in 1993.

A lot of the complaints I hear about SystemD are eerily similar to the ones I used to hear about linux in general from Sun/HP Unix/ IRIX guys back in the day. While its not without its flaws, there is too much development behind it to slow it down now. Things that appear to be fatal flaws will get fixed. Reliability will improve. Even segmentation of the various parts may happen ( a useless D reemerge wouldn't be that surprising).

Re: Guess my distro (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-02-09 21:55 (#2WZX)

I can not wait for them to fix systemd. I need a reliable init system today.

Re: Guess my distro (Score: 1)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-11 20:57 (#2X0D)

Define Reliable. For my desktop and dev server, its perfectly reliable. No ill behavior or crashes. The servers I wouldn't trust it on, are the ones I really want to but I'm not sure how to test it reliably enough yet ( if that makes any sense).

Re: Guess my distro (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-02-12 08:31 (#2YBQ)

Over 100 Production servers, with 8 execs who will be all over my ass if uptime drops below 99.8%. That is the floor for windows servers.

Re: Guess my distro (Score: 1, Informative)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-02-12 19:22 (#2ZSJ)

99.8% uptime?!? I mean thats a full 17 HOURS out of the year you can be down! My god, if I could get away with that much downtime I could take over the world!

http://uptime.is/99.8

Re: Guess my distro (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-02-13 01:26 (#30C2)

Thanks for the link. The numbers are correct. Not my problem though. If management want patches applied and all win boxes restarted every week then that is how it is. There is this story about monkeys which explains why things are the way they are. This monkey was swapped in way after the hosing stopped.

Re: Guess my distro (Score: 1, Informative)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-02-16 15:48 (#371H)

Having better up time doesn't mean you don't install security patches. Typically, things are set up so there are redundant servers that kick in while the other one has maintenance ( software/hardware) done. But its also possible that they didn't allocate funds for that. I was thinking with more allowed downtime, that would allow for broader network changes to be done. And to be fair, all of that could be avoided if there was another data center set up that we could push traffic to and we had BGP set up. So, really its always a trade off between cost and uptime.

Re: Guess my distro (Score: 1)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-11 20:59 (#2X0E)

Currently I don't do anything (Score: 3, Interesting)

by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2015-02-07 08:31 (#2WY8)

I switched my Linux often enough. Always was able to keep my /home unchanged, so it was always an easy and painless procedure. Means I am not in a hurry. I just wait and see how it turns out. If I get bitten by systemd... bye bye Debian. If not... why should I care then?

Re: Currently I don't do anything (Score: 3, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-02-09 15:24 (#2WZQ)

First they came for Fedora, and I said nothing because I didn't use Fedora ...

Re: Currently I don't do anything (Score: 1)

by morgan@pipedot.org on 2015-02-12 15:53 (#2ZA9)

I play around with a lot of distros too, but I've always defaulted to Slackware for its stability and easy maintenance. Lately I've tried distros with systemd, and never really saw anything wrong with it for my uses, but all the hype and politics surrounding it make me happy to stay with Slackware for the long haul. I prefer to avoid drama in my operating system. If it ends up in Slackware, it will be because Pat Volkerding thinks it's good enough, and that's good enough for me. Hopefully, if that day ever comes, it will be long after the flames have died down and everyone has found something else to bitch about.