Ignore Corruption?? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-09-21 14:19 (#2SQ1) Look I'm still kind of a Linux/BSD noob, but their first link to the Systemd bugtracker is kind of compelling, no?The single most important system management tool, basic logging, is turned binary, and SystemD developers' official response to log corruption and complete unreadability is literally "ignore it"??This is okay with all the distros? What the frak is going on out there? Re: Ignore Corruption?? (Score: 2, Informative) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-09-23 06:00 (#2STB) You don't have to use systemd for logging, you can continue using rsyslogd and plain-text logs if you so choose. Re: Ignore Corruption?? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-09-23 11:42 (#2STS) So you're saying it's opt-out, like spam, and the Mafia, and taxes? Kind of missing the point of an inherently poor design and unaccountable developer, no? Re: Ignore Corruption?? (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-09-23 22:54 (#2SVE) So you're saying it's opt-outNo, it's opt-in. It's not going to automatically shut-off your syslog. Now, what distros choose to use as their default is a different matter, its they who are making these default decisions for you.Kind of missing the point of an inherently poor design and unaccountable developer, no?No. Problems don't actually need to be fixed upstream, distros can patch anything about systemd they want, before packaging it for their platform. That's where Ice Weasel comes from. I don't see anything inherently poor about the design... Binary log files are no more risky than plain text, and any logger can have bugs. Did you know that rsyslogd will bring down your whole damn system if you use TCP logging over the network, but the destination stops accepting?
Re: Ignore Corruption?? (Score: 2, Informative) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-09-23 06:00 (#2STB) You don't have to use systemd for logging, you can continue using rsyslogd and plain-text logs if you so choose. Re: Ignore Corruption?? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-09-23 11:42 (#2STS) So you're saying it's opt-out, like spam, and the Mafia, and taxes? Kind of missing the point of an inherently poor design and unaccountable developer, no? Re: Ignore Corruption?? (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-09-23 22:54 (#2SVE) So you're saying it's opt-outNo, it's opt-in. It's not going to automatically shut-off your syslog. Now, what distros choose to use as their default is a different matter, its they who are making these default decisions for you.Kind of missing the point of an inherently poor design and unaccountable developer, no?No. Problems don't actually need to be fixed upstream, distros can patch anything about systemd they want, before packaging it for their platform. That's where Ice Weasel comes from. I don't see anything inherently poor about the design... Binary log files are no more risky than plain text, and any logger can have bugs. Did you know that rsyslogd will bring down your whole damn system if you use TCP logging over the network, but the destination stops accepting?
Re: Ignore Corruption?? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-09-23 11:42 (#2STS) So you're saying it's opt-out, like spam, and the Mafia, and taxes? Kind of missing the point of an inherently poor design and unaccountable developer, no? Re: Ignore Corruption?? (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-09-23 22:54 (#2SVE) So you're saying it's opt-outNo, it's opt-in. It's not going to automatically shut-off your syslog. Now, what distros choose to use as their default is a different matter, its they who are making these default decisions for you.Kind of missing the point of an inherently poor design and unaccountable developer, no?No. Problems don't actually need to be fixed upstream, distros can patch anything about systemd they want, before packaging it for their platform. That's where Ice Weasel comes from. I don't see anything inherently poor about the design... Binary log files are no more risky than plain text, and any logger can have bugs. Did you know that rsyslogd will bring down your whole damn system if you use TCP logging over the network, but the destination stops accepting?
Re: Ignore Corruption?? (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-09-23 22:54 (#2SVE) So you're saying it's opt-outNo, it's opt-in. It's not going to automatically shut-off your syslog. Now, what distros choose to use as their default is a different matter, its they who are making these default decisions for you.Kind of missing the point of an inherently poor design and unaccountable developer, no?No. Problems don't actually need to be fixed upstream, distros can patch anything about systemd they want, before packaging it for their platform. That's where Ice Weasel comes from. I don't see anything inherently poor about the design... Binary log files are no more risky than plain text, and any logger can have bugs. Did you know that rsyslogd will bring down your whole damn system if you use TCP logging over the network, but the destination stops accepting?