Supporting projects needed (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-10-18 00:46 (#2TEW) It isn't just software depending on systemd, it's also projects that have been encompassed by it. Services few people even think about, like udev, dbus, and others, are being swallowed by systemd, and no longer developed as a result. A vote won't change reality, somebody is going to have to put in the time and money to pick up development of those and similar inglorious "glue" projects, to keep SystemV init working.I could do without another systemd shouting-match... Re: Supporting projects needed (Score: 2) by nadaou@pipedot.org on 2014-10-18 07:58 (#2TEY) To be honest I really wouldn't be sad if d-bus went away. It suffers many of the same design and philosophy clash problems that systemd does and more often than not is a major pain in the neck for sysadmins of serious workstations and servers. Creating files in /home which even root can't access? Are they nuts? I can actually put a number on the lost productivity-hours these Pottering creations have caused us and we're not an especially large outfit. NetworkManager, d-bus, systemd may be a fine solution for a personal laptop install of Fedora or Ubuntu, but that's about as far as it goes. And that's not Debian's target audience.I could do without another systemd shouting-match...Much better that we have our shouting matches now than the Debian project self-destructs later. Re: Supporting projects needed (Score: 1) by nadaou@pipedot.org on 2014-10-18 08:21 (#2TEZ) Oh and story submitters, lets keep the trolling and editorializing to a minimum, eh? Re: Supporting projects needed (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-18 14:14 (#2TF3) Yeah why provide any context, background, or opinion, right? Can't have anyone expressing a point of view on a topic they're submitting.Nadaou says just provide the link and Pipe down.I think he might be happier with automated Google News.
Re: Supporting projects needed (Score: 2) by nadaou@pipedot.org on 2014-10-18 07:58 (#2TEY) To be honest I really wouldn't be sad if d-bus went away. It suffers many of the same design and philosophy clash problems that systemd does and more often than not is a major pain in the neck for sysadmins of serious workstations and servers. Creating files in /home which even root can't access? Are they nuts? I can actually put a number on the lost productivity-hours these Pottering creations have caused us and we're not an especially large outfit. NetworkManager, d-bus, systemd may be a fine solution for a personal laptop install of Fedora or Ubuntu, but that's about as far as it goes. And that's not Debian's target audience.I could do without another systemd shouting-match...Much better that we have our shouting matches now than the Debian project self-destructs later. Re: Supporting projects needed (Score: 1) by nadaou@pipedot.org on 2014-10-18 08:21 (#2TEZ) Oh and story submitters, lets keep the trolling and editorializing to a minimum, eh? Re: Supporting projects needed (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-18 14:14 (#2TF3) Yeah why provide any context, background, or opinion, right? Can't have anyone expressing a point of view on a topic they're submitting.Nadaou says just provide the link and Pipe down.I think he might be happier with automated Google News.
Re: Supporting projects needed (Score: 1) by nadaou@pipedot.org on 2014-10-18 08:21 (#2TEZ) Oh and story submitters, lets keep the trolling and editorializing to a minimum, eh? Re: Supporting projects needed (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-18 14:14 (#2TF3) Yeah why provide any context, background, or opinion, right? Can't have anyone expressing a point of view on a topic they're submitting.Nadaou says just provide the link and Pipe down.I think he might be happier with automated Google News.
Re: Supporting projects needed (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-18 14:14 (#2TF3) Yeah why provide any context, background, or opinion, right? Can't have anyone expressing a point of view on a topic they're submitting.Nadaou says just provide the link and Pipe down.I think he might be happier with automated Google News.