Editor note! (Score: 4, Insightful) by zafiro17@pipedot.org on 2014-11-11 20:49 (#2TZV) Vanderhoth - Hope my edits made this story more understandable without distorting anything! I spent a lot of time trying to get it into shape. It's an interesting story - thanks for all the time you put into it. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:03 (#2V0R) One thing I would have liked is if you had of left my disclosure in there. I am a supporter and don't want to give the impression that I'm trying to hide that in anyway. Otherwise I think the updates are fine.I'm a little shady on the WAM tool, it seems it's not only being abused, but it's also being used to collect data on "offenders". The problem being what some people consider harassment is really broad. I don't like the idea of a radical political organization (of any kind) collecting data on me, especially if the intention is to use it to label me has a harasser for just disagreeing politely with someone. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:06 (#2V0S) but it's also being used to collect data on "offenders".This part is interesting. Any idea how this tool collects the data? Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:19 (#2V0T) Any idea how this tool collects the data?I'm not really sure off the top of my head. I read it in a different article a few days ago. I'll see if I can track it down and get back to you. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:30 (#2V0V) This would be great. I once thought of writing a tool, which spiders a forum and does statistical analysis on texts. My idea was that this could help to detect double accounts and sock puppets. But... this is a bit beyond my usual work and this for me tremendous effort would be by far not rewarding enough, so I dropped this idea. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 23:49 (#2V14) As it turns out it was my interruption of a quote in the article I linked."At the end of the pilot test period, WAM will analyze the data collected and use it to work with Twitter to better understand how gendered harassment functions on their platform, and to improve their responses to it." Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-13 00:04 (#2V16) Ok, this is easy. I interpreted this 'collect data' as in 'collect data and identify the poster', which would be a tremendous feat.I always wondered if one can sue twitter or other internet services if they delete some insults, but not others. If they delete nothing, one can say they just provide the platform. If they delete all insults, they are a neutral party. But if they delete some insults and harassment tweets and let other stand, one can argue, that they agree with the latter and adopt them as their own. So they should be treated as if the insults or harassments come from twitter (or other services) itself. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by unitron@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 03:50 (#2V28) But deleting *all* insults means making an editorial judgement on what is and what isn't an insult, so the supposed neutrality of it could be questioned. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 10:34 (#2V2A) In some countries you are required to delete personal insults anyways. Sure, it is not always an easy decision, but usually one can see, if the moderators have problems to keep up with the insults, or if they participate in the discussion with the ban/delete button.
Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:03 (#2V0R) One thing I would have liked is if you had of left my disclosure in there. I am a supporter and don't want to give the impression that I'm trying to hide that in anyway. Otherwise I think the updates are fine.I'm a little shady on the WAM tool, it seems it's not only being abused, but it's also being used to collect data on "offenders". The problem being what some people consider harassment is really broad. I don't like the idea of a radical political organization (of any kind) collecting data on me, especially if the intention is to use it to label me has a harasser for just disagreeing politely with someone. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:06 (#2V0S) but it's also being used to collect data on "offenders".This part is interesting. Any idea how this tool collects the data? Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:19 (#2V0T) Any idea how this tool collects the data?I'm not really sure off the top of my head. I read it in a different article a few days ago. I'll see if I can track it down and get back to you. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:30 (#2V0V) This would be great. I once thought of writing a tool, which spiders a forum and does statistical analysis on texts. My idea was that this could help to detect double accounts and sock puppets. But... this is a bit beyond my usual work and this for me tremendous effort would be by far not rewarding enough, so I dropped this idea. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 23:49 (#2V14) As it turns out it was my interruption of a quote in the article I linked."At the end of the pilot test period, WAM will analyze the data collected and use it to work with Twitter to better understand how gendered harassment functions on their platform, and to improve their responses to it." Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-13 00:04 (#2V16) Ok, this is easy. I interpreted this 'collect data' as in 'collect data and identify the poster', which would be a tremendous feat.I always wondered if one can sue twitter or other internet services if they delete some insults, but not others. If they delete nothing, one can say they just provide the platform. If they delete all insults, they are a neutral party. But if they delete some insults and harassment tweets and let other stand, one can argue, that they agree with the latter and adopt them as their own. So they should be treated as if the insults or harassments come from twitter (or other services) itself. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by unitron@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 03:50 (#2V28) But deleting *all* insults means making an editorial judgement on what is and what isn't an insult, so the supposed neutrality of it could be questioned. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 10:34 (#2V2A) In some countries you are required to delete personal insults anyways. Sure, it is not always an easy decision, but usually one can see, if the moderators have problems to keep up with the insults, or if they participate in the discussion with the ban/delete button.
Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:06 (#2V0S) but it's also being used to collect data on "offenders".This part is interesting. Any idea how this tool collects the data? Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:19 (#2V0T) Any idea how this tool collects the data?I'm not really sure off the top of my head. I read it in a different article a few days ago. I'll see if I can track it down and get back to you. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:30 (#2V0V) This would be great. I once thought of writing a tool, which spiders a forum and does statistical analysis on texts. My idea was that this could help to detect double accounts and sock puppets. But... this is a bit beyond my usual work and this for me tremendous effort would be by far not rewarding enough, so I dropped this idea. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 23:49 (#2V14) As it turns out it was my interruption of a quote in the article I linked."At the end of the pilot test period, WAM will analyze the data collected and use it to work with Twitter to better understand how gendered harassment functions on their platform, and to improve their responses to it." Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-13 00:04 (#2V16) Ok, this is easy. I interpreted this 'collect data' as in 'collect data and identify the poster', which would be a tremendous feat.I always wondered if one can sue twitter or other internet services if they delete some insults, but not others. If they delete nothing, one can say they just provide the platform. If they delete all insults, they are a neutral party. But if they delete some insults and harassment tweets and let other stand, one can argue, that they agree with the latter and adopt them as their own. So they should be treated as if the insults or harassments come from twitter (or other services) itself. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by unitron@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 03:50 (#2V28) But deleting *all* insults means making an editorial judgement on what is and what isn't an insult, so the supposed neutrality of it could be questioned. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 10:34 (#2V2A) In some countries you are required to delete personal insults anyways. Sure, it is not always an easy decision, but usually one can see, if the moderators have problems to keep up with the insults, or if they participate in the discussion with the ban/delete button.
Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:19 (#2V0T) Any idea how this tool collects the data?I'm not really sure off the top of my head. I read it in a different article a few days ago. I'll see if I can track it down and get back to you. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:30 (#2V0V) This would be great. I once thought of writing a tool, which spiders a forum and does statistical analysis on texts. My idea was that this could help to detect double accounts and sock puppets. But... this is a bit beyond my usual work and this for me tremendous effort would be by far not rewarding enough, so I dropped this idea. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 23:49 (#2V14) As it turns out it was my interruption of a quote in the article I linked."At the end of the pilot test period, WAM will analyze the data collected and use it to work with Twitter to better understand how gendered harassment functions on their platform, and to improve their responses to it." Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-13 00:04 (#2V16) Ok, this is easy. I interpreted this 'collect data' as in 'collect data and identify the poster', which would be a tremendous feat.I always wondered if one can sue twitter or other internet services if they delete some insults, but not others. If they delete nothing, one can say they just provide the platform. If they delete all insults, they are a neutral party. But if they delete some insults and harassment tweets and let other stand, one can argue, that they agree with the latter and adopt them as their own. So they should be treated as if the insults or harassments come from twitter (or other services) itself. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by unitron@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 03:50 (#2V28) But deleting *all* insults means making an editorial judgement on what is and what isn't an insult, so the supposed neutrality of it could be questioned. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 10:34 (#2V2A) In some countries you are required to delete personal insults anyways. Sure, it is not always an easy decision, but usually one can see, if the moderators have problems to keep up with the insults, or if they participate in the discussion with the ban/delete button.
Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 20:30 (#2V0V) This would be great. I once thought of writing a tool, which spiders a forum and does statistical analysis on texts. My idea was that this could help to detect double accounts and sock puppets. But... this is a bit beyond my usual work and this for me tremendous effort would be by far not rewarding enough, so I dropped this idea. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 23:49 (#2V14) As it turns out it was my interruption of a quote in the article I linked."At the end of the pilot test period, WAM will analyze the data collected and use it to work with Twitter to better understand how gendered harassment functions on their platform, and to improve their responses to it." Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-13 00:04 (#2V16) Ok, this is easy. I interpreted this 'collect data' as in 'collect data and identify the poster', which would be a tremendous feat.I always wondered if one can sue twitter or other internet services if they delete some insults, but not others. If they delete nothing, one can say they just provide the platform. If they delete all insults, they are a neutral party. But if they delete some insults and harassment tweets and let other stand, one can argue, that they agree with the latter and adopt them as their own. So they should be treated as if the insults or harassments come from twitter (or other services) itself. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by unitron@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 03:50 (#2V28) But deleting *all* insults means making an editorial judgement on what is and what isn't an insult, so the supposed neutrality of it could be questioned. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 10:34 (#2V2A) In some countries you are required to delete personal insults anyways. Sure, it is not always an easy decision, but usually one can see, if the moderators have problems to keep up with the insults, or if they participate in the discussion with the ban/delete button.
Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-11-12 23:49 (#2V14) As it turns out it was my interruption of a quote in the article I linked."At the end of the pilot test period, WAM will analyze the data collected and use it to work with Twitter to better understand how gendered harassment functions on their platform, and to improve their responses to it." Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-13 00:04 (#2V16) Ok, this is easy. I interpreted this 'collect data' as in 'collect data and identify the poster', which would be a tremendous feat.I always wondered if one can sue twitter or other internet services if they delete some insults, but not others. If they delete nothing, one can say they just provide the platform. If they delete all insults, they are a neutral party. But if they delete some insults and harassment tweets and let other stand, one can argue, that they agree with the latter and adopt them as their own. So they should be treated as if the insults or harassments come from twitter (or other services) itself. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by unitron@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 03:50 (#2V28) But deleting *all* insults means making an editorial judgement on what is and what isn't an insult, so the supposed neutrality of it could be questioned. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 10:34 (#2V2A) In some countries you are required to delete personal insults anyways. Sure, it is not always an easy decision, but usually one can see, if the moderators have problems to keep up with the insults, or if they participate in the discussion with the ban/delete button.
Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-13 00:04 (#2V16) Ok, this is easy. I interpreted this 'collect data' as in 'collect data and identify the poster', which would be a tremendous feat.I always wondered if one can sue twitter or other internet services if they delete some insults, but not others. If they delete nothing, one can say they just provide the platform. If they delete all insults, they are a neutral party. But if they delete some insults and harassment tweets and let other stand, one can argue, that they agree with the latter and adopt them as their own. So they should be treated as if the insults or harassments come from twitter (or other services) itself. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by unitron@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 03:50 (#2V28) But deleting *all* insults means making an editorial judgement on what is and what isn't an insult, so the supposed neutrality of it could be questioned. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 10:34 (#2V2A) In some countries you are required to delete personal insults anyways. Sure, it is not always an easy decision, but usually one can see, if the moderators have problems to keep up with the insults, or if they participate in the discussion with the ban/delete button.
Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by unitron@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 03:50 (#2V28) But deleting *all* insults means making an editorial judgement on what is and what isn't an insult, so the supposed neutrality of it could be questioned. Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 10:34 (#2V2A) In some countries you are required to delete personal insults anyways. Sure, it is not always an easy decision, but usually one can see, if the moderators have problems to keep up with the insults, or if they participate in the discussion with the ban/delete button.
Re: Editor note! (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-14 10:34 (#2V2A) In some countries you are required to delete personal insults anyways. Sure, it is not always an easy decision, but usually one can see, if the moderators have problems to keep up with the insults, or if they participate in the discussion with the ban/delete button.