No Gnome 3, right? (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-29 03:33 (#2VBE) So no Gnome 3, I guess. Good. What about GTK3 ? I use XFCE, which depends on it, so I hope it's included. What I'd really like is a re-write of XFCE that uses QT. Re: No Gnome 3, right? (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-29 12:26 (#2VC3) Why not Gnome3? The problem is not Gnome3, pulseaudio, systemd, the problem is to make choice hard. It was easy for me not to use Gnome. To not to use pulseaudio I just had to kill the process. However, when suddenly more and more services are written, so they won't work without systemd anymore.... it makes me nervous. Regardless of the systemd quality. Re: No Gnome 3, right? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-29 15:57 (#2VCE) Gnome3 without systemd would require a fork of Gnome3, which already exists in the form of Cinnamon. This was one of the big parts of what started the systemd uproar in the first place, with weight being thrown around to manipulate independent software projects on the part of the Redhat/systemd cabal.You don't like that you can't use Gnome3 without systemd? Might want to take it up with Poettering. Re: No Gnome 3, right? (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-29 16:24 (#2VCF) Thanks for the info. Did not know this since I do not use Gnome. But yes, this is what I fear: Too strong dependencies between different unrelated packages. Ok, Debian is not Gentoo. Most distributions have to choose one configuration, which supposedly meets the requirements of most of its users. But I must say, sometimes Debian feels like a bowl of spaghetti... you want to install one package, and it pulls in half of the world. Often with no discernible relation to the desired package. I don't care much about systemd. Some say it is badly codes... so what, it will improve over the years. But it looks like it is poisonous in so far that it reduces choice. And that would be a sad thing. I certainly will watch Devuan.
Re: No Gnome 3, right? (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-29 12:26 (#2VC3) Why not Gnome3? The problem is not Gnome3, pulseaudio, systemd, the problem is to make choice hard. It was easy for me not to use Gnome. To not to use pulseaudio I just had to kill the process. However, when suddenly more and more services are written, so they won't work without systemd anymore.... it makes me nervous. Regardless of the systemd quality. Re: No Gnome 3, right? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-29 15:57 (#2VCE) Gnome3 without systemd would require a fork of Gnome3, which already exists in the form of Cinnamon. This was one of the big parts of what started the systemd uproar in the first place, with weight being thrown around to manipulate independent software projects on the part of the Redhat/systemd cabal.You don't like that you can't use Gnome3 without systemd? Might want to take it up with Poettering. Re: No Gnome 3, right? (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-29 16:24 (#2VCF) Thanks for the info. Did not know this since I do not use Gnome. But yes, this is what I fear: Too strong dependencies between different unrelated packages. Ok, Debian is not Gentoo. Most distributions have to choose one configuration, which supposedly meets the requirements of most of its users. But I must say, sometimes Debian feels like a bowl of spaghetti... you want to install one package, and it pulls in half of the world. Often with no discernible relation to the desired package. I don't care much about systemd. Some say it is badly codes... so what, it will improve over the years. But it looks like it is poisonous in so far that it reduces choice. And that would be a sad thing. I certainly will watch Devuan.
Re: No Gnome 3, right? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-29 15:57 (#2VCE) Gnome3 without systemd would require a fork of Gnome3, which already exists in the form of Cinnamon. This was one of the big parts of what started the systemd uproar in the first place, with weight being thrown around to manipulate independent software projects on the part of the Redhat/systemd cabal.You don't like that you can't use Gnome3 without systemd? Might want to take it up with Poettering. Re: No Gnome 3, right? (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-29 16:24 (#2VCF) Thanks for the info. Did not know this since I do not use Gnome. But yes, this is what I fear: Too strong dependencies between different unrelated packages. Ok, Debian is not Gentoo. Most distributions have to choose one configuration, which supposedly meets the requirements of most of its users. But I must say, sometimes Debian feels like a bowl of spaghetti... you want to install one package, and it pulls in half of the world. Often with no discernible relation to the desired package. I don't care much about systemd. Some say it is badly codes... so what, it will improve over the years. But it looks like it is poisonous in so far that it reduces choice. And that would be a sad thing. I certainly will watch Devuan.
Re: No Gnome 3, right? (Score: 1) by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-29 16:24 (#2VCF) Thanks for the info. Did not know this since I do not use Gnome. But yes, this is what I fear: Too strong dependencies between different unrelated packages. Ok, Debian is not Gentoo. Most distributions have to choose one configuration, which supposedly meets the requirements of most of its users. But I must say, sometimes Debian feels like a bowl of spaghetti... you want to install one package, and it pulls in half of the world. Often with no discernible relation to the desired package. I don't care much about systemd. Some say it is badly codes... so what, it will improve over the years. But it looks like it is poisonous in so far that it reduces choice. And that would be a sad thing. I certainly will watch Devuan.