"We Do This 'Til We Free Us": Mariame Kaba on Abolishing Police, Prisons & Moving Toward Justice

Outrage over police brutality and the mass incarceration of Black and Brown people has generated calls to defund and abolish the police. Longtime organizer Mariame Kaba's new book, titled We Do This 'Til We Free Us: Abolitionist Organizing and Transforming Justice," brings together collected essays, interviews and other writings that she and numerous collaborators produced between 2014 - the year of the uprisings in Ferguson, Missouri, over the police killing of Michael Brown - and today. Kaba says the book grapples with the fact that so many people around the country recognize the complete and utter failures and limits of so-called reform" to systems of injustice. People are impatient with incrementalism and are impatient with solutions that don't actually address the root causes of violence."