Naomi Klein on Her New Book "Doppelganger" & How Conspiracy Culture Benefits Ruling Elite

We spend the hour with acclaimed journalist and author Naomi Klein, whose new book Doppelganger out this week explores what she calls the mirror world," a growing right-wing alternate universe of misinformation and conspiracies that, while identifying real problems, opportunistically exploits them to advance a hateful and divisive agenda. Klein explains her initial motivation for the book was her own alter-ego, the author Naomi Wolf, for whom she has often been mistaken. Both Naomis entered public consciousness in the 1990s with books critiquing corporate influence, but in recent years Wolf has become one of the most prominent vaccine deniers and purveyors of COVID-19 misinformation - making the ongoing confusion about their identities a source of frustration. It's very destabilizing," says Klein, who still urges people to seriously engage with the dangerous ideas propagated in mirror worlds, rather than simply look away. It's so hard to look at the reality that we are in right now, with the overlay of endless wars and climate disasters and massive inequality. And so whether we're making up fantastical conspiracy theories or getting lost in our own reflections, it's all about not looking at that reality that is only bearable if we get outside our own heads and collectively organize."