What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-07-27 12:20 (#FJMW) Look, it's great that you've got an opinion, but if you're going to post it as news, have the decency to say "EDITORIAL" at the top of it.This site is getting a well deserved reputation for posting high quality submissions, and if the replies are few, they're generally thoughtful. It wouldn't take many posts like this to destroy that entirely.On the other hand, if you're going to start regularly trolling for eyeballs, just say and I'll go elsewhere. I had enough of that on /. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 1, Informative) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-07-28 04:26 (#FN11) No, if this was /. this would be yet another ranting anti-systemd story... they love to fan the flames no matter what the facts might be. This is also not a |. editorial at all, either, click through to the source for yourself. Note all those pesy facts and figures... Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-07-30 11:01 (#FX33) No, if this was /. this would be yet another ranting anti-systemd story...Yes, yes, yes. the shortcomings of Slashdot are well known. I visit this site in the hopes that it might not share them."If you fight against monsters you should take care that in the process you do not become a monster yourself".click through to the source for yourself. Note all those pesy facts and figures...Errm, what facts, exactly? All due respect to Bruce Bryfield, but he posted a blog entry presenting an unsupported opinion piece. The only figures present are where he reports the total donations received by Devuan to date. The only facts I can see apart from that are that Lennart Poettering is involved and a lot of people don't like him very much. He doesn't even try and summarise the arguments pro-systemd, let alone the ones against. It's hardly a ringing vindication for either side of the debate. I don't think it was ever intended to be.This is also not a |. editorial at all, eitherYou posted a highly partisan opinion, presented it as news and backed it up with one solitary link to an equally partisan blog post. If you'd said "Bruce Bryfield has posted an interesting article advocating acceptance of systemd. I think he makes some good points, what do you think?" then I wouldn't have an objection. Instead you posted one saying "I'm right, anyone who disagrees with me is wrong, and by the way this dude (who I can't even be bothered to name) agrees with me, so that settles it".I'm sorry, but regardless of whether your opinion is right or wrong, you're still editorializing. And I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do that. I just ask that you draw a clear line between your opinions and what you're reporting as news. I hadn't thought it was a lot to ask. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-07-30 19:54 (#FYTQ) Actually, it's the OTHER systemd stories that hit |. that were slanted opinion pieces. Quite a few of them, too. I don't recall you complaining about any one of those. This doesn't qualify, because the claims made are factually supportable and settled, even when just correcting misconceptions and inaccurate arguments previously used. That you still can't see any of that says worlds about your own bias, and I doubt anything else I can say to you will help. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-07-31 07:28 (#G06B) My complaint isn't about systemd. I've made that clear from the start. It's a question of journalistic integrity.If you can't see that, then you're right - nothing you can say is going to be very helpful, and I'm wasting my time and yours both.Good luck with the site. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-08-03 17:20 (#GA6J) Sadly, Journalistic integrity seems to be of the exclusive domain of the NYT and possibly the Economist. Everything else is shades of grey. I typically don't expect much from any other source. Good journalistic writing is a skill that must be learned and honed. Its not found on any random websites that happen to post news articles.
Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 1, Informative) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-07-28 04:26 (#FN11) No, if this was /. this would be yet another ranting anti-systemd story... they love to fan the flames no matter what the facts might be. This is also not a |. editorial at all, either, click through to the source for yourself. Note all those pesy facts and figures... Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-07-30 11:01 (#FX33) No, if this was /. this would be yet another ranting anti-systemd story...Yes, yes, yes. the shortcomings of Slashdot are well known. I visit this site in the hopes that it might not share them."If you fight against monsters you should take care that in the process you do not become a monster yourself".click through to the source for yourself. Note all those pesy facts and figures...Errm, what facts, exactly? All due respect to Bruce Bryfield, but he posted a blog entry presenting an unsupported opinion piece. The only figures present are where he reports the total donations received by Devuan to date. The only facts I can see apart from that are that Lennart Poettering is involved and a lot of people don't like him very much. He doesn't even try and summarise the arguments pro-systemd, let alone the ones against. It's hardly a ringing vindication for either side of the debate. I don't think it was ever intended to be.This is also not a |. editorial at all, eitherYou posted a highly partisan opinion, presented it as news and backed it up with one solitary link to an equally partisan blog post. If you'd said "Bruce Bryfield has posted an interesting article advocating acceptance of systemd. I think he makes some good points, what do you think?" then I wouldn't have an objection. Instead you posted one saying "I'm right, anyone who disagrees with me is wrong, and by the way this dude (who I can't even be bothered to name) agrees with me, so that settles it".I'm sorry, but regardless of whether your opinion is right or wrong, you're still editorializing. And I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do that. I just ask that you draw a clear line between your opinions and what you're reporting as news. I hadn't thought it was a lot to ask. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-07-30 19:54 (#FYTQ) Actually, it's the OTHER systemd stories that hit |. that were slanted opinion pieces. Quite a few of them, too. I don't recall you complaining about any one of those. This doesn't qualify, because the claims made are factually supportable and settled, even when just correcting misconceptions and inaccurate arguments previously used. That you still can't see any of that says worlds about your own bias, and I doubt anything else I can say to you will help. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-07-31 07:28 (#G06B) My complaint isn't about systemd. I've made that clear from the start. It's a question of journalistic integrity.If you can't see that, then you're right - nothing you can say is going to be very helpful, and I'm wasting my time and yours both.Good luck with the site. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-08-03 17:20 (#GA6J) Sadly, Journalistic integrity seems to be of the exclusive domain of the NYT and possibly the Economist. Everything else is shades of grey. I typically don't expect much from any other source. Good journalistic writing is a skill that must be learned and honed. Its not found on any random websites that happen to post news articles.
Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-07-30 11:01 (#FX33) No, if this was /. this would be yet another ranting anti-systemd story...Yes, yes, yes. the shortcomings of Slashdot are well known. I visit this site in the hopes that it might not share them."If you fight against monsters you should take care that in the process you do not become a monster yourself".click through to the source for yourself. Note all those pesy facts and figures...Errm, what facts, exactly? All due respect to Bruce Bryfield, but he posted a blog entry presenting an unsupported opinion piece. The only figures present are where he reports the total donations received by Devuan to date. The only facts I can see apart from that are that Lennart Poettering is involved and a lot of people don't like him very much. He doesn't even try and summarise the arguments pro-systemd, let alone the ones against. It's hardly a ringing vindication for either side of the debate. I don't think it was ever intended to be.This is also not a |. editorial at all, eitherYou posted a highly partisan opinion, presented it as news and backed it up with one solitary link to an equally partisan blog post. If you'd said "Bruce Bryfield has posted an interesting article advocating acceptance of systemd. I think he makes some good points, what do you think?" then I wouldn't have an objection. Instead you posted one saying "I'm right, anyone who disagrees with me is wrong, and by the way this dude (who I can't even be bothered to name) agrees with me, so that settles it".I'm sorry, but regardless of whether your opinion is right or wrong, you're still editorializing. And I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do that. I just ask that you draw a clear line between your opinions and what you're reporting as news. I hadn't thought it was a lot to ask. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-07-30 19:54 (#FYTQ) Actually, it's the OTHER systemd stories that hit |. that were slanted opinion pieces. Quite a few of them, too. I don't recall you complaining about any one of those. This doesn't qualify, because the claims made are factually supportable and settled, even when just correcting misconceptions and inaccurate arguments previously used. That you still can't see any of that says worlds about your own bias, and I doubt anything else I can say to you will help. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-07-31 07:28 (#G06B) My complaint isn't about systemd. I've made that clear from the start. It's a question of journalistic integrity.If you can't see that, then you're right - nothing you can say is going to be very helpful, and I'm wasting my time and yours both.Good luck with the site. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-08-03 17:20 (#GA6J) Sadly, Journalistic integrity seems to be of the exclusive domain of the NYT and possibly the Economist. Everything else is shades of grey. I typically don't expect much from any other source. Good journalistic writing is a skill that must be learned and honed. Its not found on any random websites that happen to post news articles.
Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-07-30 19:54 (#FYTQ) Actually, it's the OTHER systemd stories that hit |. that were slanted opinion pieces. Quite a few of them, too. I don't recall you complaining about any one of those. This doesn't qualify, because the claims made are factually supportable and settled, even when just correcting misconceptions and inaccurate arguments previously used. That you still can't see any of that says worlds about your own bias, and I doubt anything else I can say to you will help. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-07-31 07:28 (#G06B) My complaint isn't about systemd. I've made that clear from the start. It's a question of journalistic integrity.If you can't see that, then you're right - nothing you can say is going to be very helpful, and I'm wasting my time and yours both.Good luck with the site. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-08-03 17:20 (#GA6J) Sadly, Journalistic integrity seems to be of the exclusive domain of the NYT and possibly the Economist. Everything else is shades of grey. I typically don't expect much from any other source. Good journalistic writing is a skill that must be learned and honed. Its not found on any random websites that happen to post news articles.
Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-07-31 07:28 (#G06B) My complaint isn't about systemd. I've made that clear from the start. It's a question of journalistic integrity.If you can't see that, then you're right - nothing you can say is going to be very helpful, and I'm wasting my time and yours both.Good luck with the site. Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-08-03 17:20 (#GA6J) Sadly, Journalistic integrity seems to be of the exclusive domain of the NYT and possibly the Economist. Everything else is shades of grey. I typically don't expect much from any other source. Good journalistic writing is a skill that must be learned and honed. Its not found on any random websites that happen to post news articles.
Re: What is this? Slashdot? (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-08-03 17:20 (#GA6J) Sadly, Journalistic integrity seems to be of the exclusive domain of the NYT and possibly the Economist. Everything else is shades of grey. I typically don't expect much from any other source. Good journalistic writing is a skill that must be learned and honed. Its not found on any random websites that happen to post news articles.