Troll (Score: 0) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2015-08-27 00:46 (#JJH4) Sounds like she's a suer. Turn the damn device off on your own time and/or don't carry it with you. It's company issued...I've used my own laptop & phone for years and years. No problem. Re: Troll (Score: 2, Interesting) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-08-28 00:43 (#JP2K) Sounds like she's a suer. Turn the damn device off on your own time and/or don't carry it with you. It's company issued...I'd say she's got a good case.Intermex forced Arias and other employees to install Xora on their smartphones and told them they needed to keep their phones on all day, every day.http://morallowground.com/2015/05/13/myrna-arias-claims-intermex-fired-her-for-deleting-gps-tracker-on-work-phone/ Re: Troll (Score: 1) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2015-08-28 20:08 (#JRXS) There was no link to any content for that blurb. How do you figure she's got any case? Why not just leave the device at work/home/on the moon while you're not working? Re: Troll (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-08-28 20:58 (#JS0Q) There was no link to any content for that blurb.Umm, what? Go read the court filing yourself: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Intermexcomplaint.pdfWhy not just leave the device at work/home/on the moon while you're not working?Because she had to be able to receive calls from clients after-hours. She was a salesman after all. Leaving her phone somewhere (or shutting it off) would have been far more disruptive than just removing the app in-question. I don't see why you think that would be fine with everyone (she would have gotten fired even more quickly). Re: Troll (Score: 1) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2015-08-29 21:50 (#JVHY) Umm, what? Go read the court filing yourself: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Intermexcomplaint.pdfThanks for the link. It was not in the story.Because she had to be able to receive calls from clients after-hours. She was a salesman after all. Leaving her phone somewhere (or shutting it off) would have been far more disruptive than just removing the app in-question. I don't see why you think that would be fine with everyone (she would have gotten fired even more quickly).I have a pretty black/white view of employment and time. Either you are on the job or you're not. If you're on the job and using company equipment then that's fair. If you're not on the job, leave the equipment behind. If you think that you need to answer calls on the company phone at any hour, then you're always on the job. I don't think that's a reasonable position to take. If the company wants 24 hour response, they should hire enough people to cover the hours.But there are plenty of technical solutions as well. You don't want to be on the job 24 hours, but still want calls? Use call forwarding to your own phone. Or just get voicemail alerts. Or hand out your personal number. This isn't rocket science.
Re: Troll (Score: 2, Interesting) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-08-28 00:43 (#JP2K) Sounds like she's a suer. Turn the damn device off on your own time and/or don't carry it with you. It's company issued...I'd say she's got a good case.Intermex forced Arias and other employees to install Xora on their smartphones and told them they needed to keep their phones on all day, every day.http://morallowground.com/2015/05/13/myrna-arias-claims-intermex-fired-her-for-deleting-gps-tracker-on-work-phone/ Re: Troll (Score: 1) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2015-08-28 20:08 (#JRXS) There was no link to any content for that blurb. How do you figure she's got any case? Why not just leave the device at work/home/on the moon while you're not working? Re: Troll (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-08-28 20:58 (#JS0Q) There was no link to any content for that blurb.Umm, what? Go read the court filing yourself: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Intermexcomplaint.pdfWhy not just leave the device at work/home/on the moon while you're not working?Because she had to be able to receive calls from clients after-hours. She was a salesman after all. Leaving her phone somewhere (or shutting it off) would have been far more disruptive than just removing the app in-question. I don't see why you think that would be fine with everyone (she would have gotten fired even more quickly). Re: Troll (Score: 1) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2015-08-29 21:50 (#JVHY) Umm, what? Go read the court filing yourself: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Intermexcomplaint.pdfThanks for the link. It was not in the story.Because she had to be able to receive calls from clients after-hours. She was a salesman after all. Leaving her phone somewhere (or shutting it off) would have been far more disruptive than just removing the app in-question. I don't see why you think that would be fine with everyone (she would have gotten fired even more quickly).I have a pretty black/white view of employment and time. Either you are on the job or you're not. If you're on the job and using company equipment then that's fair. If you're not on the job, leave the equipment behind. If you think that you need to answer calls on the company phone at any hour, then you're always on the job. I don't think that's a reasonable position to take. If the company wants 24 hour response, they should hire enough people to cover the hours.But there are plenty of technical solutions as well. You don't want to be on the job 24 hours, but still want calls? Use call forwarding to your own phone. Or just get voicemail alerts. Or hand out your personal number. This isn't rocket science.
Re: Troll (Score: 1) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2015-08-28 20:08 (#JRXS) There was no link to any content for that blurb. How do you figure she's got any case? Why not just leave the device at work/home/on the moon while you're not working? Re: Troll (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-08-28 20:58 (#JS0Q) There was no link to any content for that blurb.Umm, what? Go read the court filing yourself: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Intermexcomplaint.pdfWhy not just leave the device at work/home/on the moon while you're not working?Because she had to be able to receive calls from clients after-hours. She was a salesman after all. Leaving her phone somewhere (or shutting it off) would have been far more disruptive than just removing the app in-question. I don't see why you think that would be fine with everyone (she would have gotten fired even more quickly). Re: Troll (Score: 1) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2015-08-29 21:50 (#JVHY) Umm, what? Go read the court filing yourself: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Intermexcomplaint.pdfThanks for the link. It was not in the story.Because she had to be able to receive calls from clients after-hours. She was a salesman after all. Leaving her phone somewhere (or shutting it off) would have been far more disruptive than just removing the app in-question. I don't see why you think that would be fine with everyone (she would have gotten fired even more quickly).I have a pretty black/white view of employment and time. Either you are on the job or you're not. If you're on the job and using company equipment then that's fair. If you're not on the job, leave the equipment behind. If you think that you need to answer calls on the company phone at any hour, then you're always on the job. I don't think that's a reasonable position to take. If the company wants 24 hour response, they should hire enough people to cover the hours.But there are plenty of technical solutions as well. You don't want to be on the job 24 hours, but still want calls? Use call forwarding to your own phone. Or just get voicemail alerts. Or hand out your personal number. This isn't rocket science.
Re: Troll (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-08-28 20:58 (#JS0Q) There was no link to any content for that blurb.Umm, what? Go read the court filing yourself: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Intermexcomplaint.pdfWhy not just leave the device at work/home/on the moon while you're not working?Because she had to be able to receive calls from clients after-hours. She was a salesman after all. Leaving her phone somewhere (or shutting it off) would have been far more disruptive than just removing the app in-question. I don't see why you think that would be fine with everyone (she would have gotten fired even more quickly). Re: Troll (Score: 1) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2015-08-29 21:50 (#JVHY) Umm, what? Go read the court filing yourself: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Intermexcomplaint.pdfThanks for the link. It was not in the story.Because she had to be able to receive calls from clients after-hours. She was a salesman after all. Leaving her phone somewhere (or shutting it off) would have been far more disruptive than just removing the app in-question. I don't see why you think that would be fine with everyone (she would have gotten fired even more quickly).I have a pretty black/white view of employment and time. Either you are on the job or you're not. If you're on the job and using company equipment then that's fair. If you're not on the job, leave the equipment behind. If you think that you need to answer calls on the company phone at any hour, then you're always on the job. I don't think that's a reasonable position to take. If the company wants 24 hour response, they should hire enough people to cover the hours.But there are plenty of technical solutions as well. You don't want to be on the job 24 hours, but still want calls? Use call forwarding to your own phone. Or just get voicemail alerts. Or hand out your personal number. This isn't rocket science.
Re: Troll (Score: 1) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2015-08-29 21:50 (#JVHY) Umm, what? Go read the court filing yourself: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Intermexcomplaint.pdfThanks for the link. It was not in the story.Because she had to be able to receive calls from clients after-hours. She was a salesman after all. Leaving her phone somewhere (or shutting it off) would have been far more disruptive than just removing the app in-question. I don't see why you think that would be fine with everyone (she would have gotten fired even more quickly).I have a pretty black/white view of employment and time. Either you are on the job or you're not. If you're on the job and using company equipment then that's fair. If you're not on the job, leave the equipment behind. If you think that you need to answer calls on the company phone at any hour, then you're always on the job. I don't think that's a reasonable position to take. If the company wants 24 hour response, they should hire enough people to cover the hours.But there are plenty of technical solutions as well. You don't want to be on the job 24 hours, but still want calls? Use call forwarding to your own phone. Or just get voicemail alerts. Or hand out your personal number. This isn't rocket science.