great competitor from Debian, Devuan has a FANTASTIC derivative, Star
by oui from LinuxQuestions.org on (#5NHZ4)
As already reported since a relatively long time here Devuan , in my eye the free debianlike system without Debian terror you can only go this way! has an really exquisite derivative,
Star
where the terminology "derivative" is not right, it is an user system encouraged by Devuan but not separate from it: Star has no own depository
(after working installation my depository in /etc/apt/sources.list is
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main contrib non-free )
What is so fantastic, a real dream?
you are (about) completely free and can easily make simple or hard, minimal or fat!
I did find it a lot of time (as usual) following https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=star but did not really realize at that time the really important detail
Images to choose from:
...
32bit - ... , Cli
- small=fast download (360 Mb) few time later (only a few minutes download time)
- insert very old memory card with only 512 MB into the adaptor
- insert it into the computer connector
- unmount sdb1 (as thunar opens it automatic! not always really good...)
- gparted
-- new table
-- new partition fat16
-- set partition flag "boot"
- in console
dd if=~/Downloads/star-3.1.0-spock_2021.03-netinst-i686-.iso of=/dev/sdX
small iso = fast copy time :-)
cursor reappears a few minutes later
and you can reboot (let the adaptor insert in the connector)!
you will meet about the same start as it would be a classic Debian installation.
(few differences of course!)
You can use your language and your keyboard family to work secure and easily at installations time.
The main difference: you have finish after few minutes to install and the most time is install grub!
hm!
an error?
no, no error:
as usual after new minimal installation (it is an extremely minimal installation), I did insert my usual USB stick with a small ready to use system ( april64-7.0.1B-uefi.iso derivate from Puppy Linux branch Quirky = 127 MB for a live system with a lot of tools in 64 bit :-) !) an copy the new stuff just installed in the partition:
star did install 64 MB stuff and all seems to be ok.
as I was wishing to make an absolutely minimal installation, I did immediately inspect the /etc/apt directory for an eventually torso for the file apt.conf.
no it was not a torso! magic...
the apt.conf is prepared with following content:
Quote:
I did only add 3 details:
- in /etc/apt/sources.list an other source than the proposed beowulf as I prefer directly to try ceres
- in /etc/fstab my main partition
Code:#
UUID=5685fe3d-d0c1-4edc-8c1e-2c1eb2xxxxxx /home/PIPAPO/my ext4 defaults 0 2(use you own uuid : you find it easily in gparted, last item in "Partitions") and I did
- create immediately the new subdir in my new ~/ (has to be for "ftp", you can chown immediately or later as you will see you have not the rights!) and continue with
- feed /etc/grub.d/40_custom (you can do it manually in the prepared /boot/grub/grub.cfg! this avoid to have no other entries if the new start has no success!) with all my entries for different Puupy's, android, ReactOS and SliTaz (thank you GNU for this grub bastard...)!
(grub is the only one deception concerning star: you would have prefered, Star would give the possibility to use/install a simple Grub2 as the maintenance CD of old NuTyx did do in the past! This means: only short entries exactly like in 40_custom also in the main part!)
After that reboot (without the pinned USB stick)!
Start perfectly!
- update and
- upgrade your new system.
If you do that with the usual command (I never use somewhat different as the "apt-get" or "apt" command, you will now get a list of packages being candidates for the installation, with the list of the not installed packages it would be also possible and recommanded to install with: you have the choice and can decide yourself!
Star make up the real master of you installation IMMEDIATELY...
The real installation begins if you answer Y (the default answer).
But I propose you not to do it. Answer N, 1 time "cursor up" and add to your command:Code:
apt upgrade > iMyFirstupgradeThe system stops! It is the stop to answer Y or N. Repeat N!
2 times "cursor up" and this time Y (or enter, it's the same...)
THE REAL INSTALLATION OF THE BASE of star starts now at this point - You know what will be installed, how big will be the download, how much memory room will that in your partition will this take after that!
I find it GENIAL!
I did have no problem.
My system is now a ceres one!
So I did continue in the same kind.
Code:apt install links2 didiwiki cups
apt install links2 didiwiki cups > iLinks2DidiwikiCups
apt install links2 didiwiki cups(with those 3 packages you can read smart texts and print then out in pure commando line (cups works in CLI!!! and didiwiki gives you an extremly easy way for fat, italic and underlined writing! and using an other console, yes, you can interchange the CLI consoles, you can mark text in Links and port it in an other tab in Links! useful for texts like man pages, forum threads etc. if you meet difficulties!). test pls if the mouse works or install also gpm! check if you need somewhat from the proposed packages being not to be installed! You can with "cursor up" immediately repeat the action before you really start this step of installation (this will be the same each next step of installation!
next step (cursor up)
continue in same procedere:
Code:apt install links2 didiwiki cups deborphan menu xorg jwm
apt install links2 didiwiki cups deborphan menu xorg jwm > iDeborphanMenuXorgJwm
apt install links2 didiwiki cups deborphan menu xorg jwm(apt will of course only process the 3 new items!)
as I did do it, I know now. that the menu in JWM will be unexact, you have to rewrite the line in /etc/jwm/system.jwmrc for the console and write the right name you will find for the console in /usr/bin ;-).
and, now, you can go into X-window
with
Code:xinit(if success quit immediately with "exit" in the probably offered console; if main difficulties, change the commando line console and reboot the system with CTRL+ALT+DEL! And reboot and continue: you need xinit only at the first time!)
if no success enter now
Code:startxand I hope you will have, as I did immediately have, SUCCESS!
ENJOY YOUR NEW GRAPHIC MINIMAL SYSTEM!!!
(You can also try to install "ratpoison" before you try jwm! Ratpoison need after the package "menu" the package "9menu" to offer a menu to you! And look with attention at the right top corner of the screen ratpoison being starting: a few seconds you will see the help, after that not ;-) )
The next step will probably be a browser (midori ? midori works very well now). A forgotten editor for X window is preinstalled xedit ! Try it if you don't like nano (works in X) or VI ! idem for the calculator.
The Debian menu you will find is a kind of disease. If you will use it, you can add missing items eventually if you feed /usr/share/applications !
Or install xfce4-appfinder (of course, you also can immediately install xfce4 instead of jwm! But as old puppy user and fan from baslin [basic linux] I love JWM and it needs so few memory room!
did you already make attention that about no distribution understood that children need a music sheet editor being important for her education? one of the more small one is nted! install it please immediately together with mhwaveedit. in mtpaint, you can make screenshots and immediately crop and resize then really easily! for those app's look with attention for the proposed packages not being immediately installed with if you don't include then yourself: you learn so best the system of dependencies of linux making a pyramid of super tools permanently actualised for all applications having then in the dependencies!
ENJOY THE JOB OF OPTIMISE YOUR INSTALLATION STEP BY STEP!
Star
where the terminology "derivative" is not right, it is an user system encouraged by Devuan but not separate from it: Star has no own depository
(after working installation my depository in /etc/apt/sources.list is
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main contrib non-free )
What is so fantastic, a real dream?
you are (about) completely free and can easily make simple or hard, minimal or fat!
I did find it a lot of time (as usual) following https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=star but did not really realize at that time the really important detail
Images to choose from:
...
32bit - ... , Cli
- small=fast download (360 Mb) few time later (only a few minutes download time)
- insert very old memory card with only 512 MB into the adaptor
- insert it into the computer connector
- unmount sdb1 (as thunar opens it automatic! not always really good...)
- gparted
-- new table
-- new partition fat16
-- set partition flag "boot"
- in console
dd if=~/Downloads/star-3.1.0-spock_2021.03-netinst-i686-.iso of=/dev/sdX
small iso = fast copy time :-)
cursor reappears a few minutes later
and you can reboot (let the adaptor insert in the connector)!
you will meet about the same start as it would be a classic Debian installation.
(few differences of course!)
You can use your language and your keyboard family to work secure and easily at installations time.
The main difference: you have finish after few minutes to install and the most time is install grub!
hm!
an error?
no, no error:
as usual after new minimal installation (it is an extremely minimal installation), I did insert my usual USB stick with a small ready to use system ( april64-7.0.1B-uefi.iso derivate from Puppy Linux branch Quirky = 127 MB for a live system with a lot of tools in 64 bit :-) !) an copy the new stuff just installed in the partition:
star did install 64 MB stuff and all seems to be ok.
as I was wishing to make an absolutely minimal installation, I did immediately inspect the /etc/apt directory for an eventually torso for the file apt.conf.
no it was not a torso! magic...
the apt.conf is prepared with following content:
Quote:
| # APT::Default-Release "jessie"; APT::Install-Recommends "false"; APT::Install-Suggests "false"; APT::Get::Fix-Missing "true"; Acquire::Languages "none"; Acquire::Check-Valid-Until "false"; |
- in /etc/apt/sources.list an other source than the proposed beowulf as I prefer directly to try ceres
- in /etc/fstab my main partition
Code:#
UUID=5685fe3d-d0c1-4edc-8c1e-2c1eb2xxxxxx /home/PIPAPO/my ext4 defaults 0 2(use you own uuid : you find it easily in gparted, last item in "Partitions") and I did
- create immediately the new subdir in my new ~/ (has to be for "ftp", you can chown immediately or later as you will see you have not the rights!) and continue with
- feed /etc/grub.d/40_custom (you can do it manually in the prepared /boot/grub/grub.cfg! this avoid to have no other entries if the new start has no success!) with all my entries for different Puupy's, android, ReactOS and SliTaz (thank you GNU for this grub bastard...)!
(grub is the only one deception concerning star: you would have prefered, Star would give the possibility to use/install a simple Grub2 as the maintenance CD of old NuTyx did do in the past! This means: only short entries exactly like in 40_custom also in the main part!)
After that reboot (without the pinned USB stick)!
Start perfectly!
- update and
- upgrade your new system.
If you do that with the usual command (I never use somewhat different as the "apt-get" or "apt" command, you will now get a list of packages being candidates for the installation, with the list of the not installed packages it would be also possible and recommanded to install with: you have the choice and can decide yourself!
Star make up the real master of you installation IMMEDIATELY...
The real installation begins if you answer Y (the default answer).
But I propose you not to do it. Answer N, 1 time "cursor up" and add to your command:Code:
apt upgrade > iMyFirstupgradeThe system stops! It is the stop to answer Y or N. Repeat N!
2 times "cursor up" and this time Y (or enter, it's the same...)
THE REAL INSTALLATION OF THE BASE of star starts now at this point - You know what will be installed, how big will be the download, how much memory room will that in your partition will this take after that!
I find it GENIAL!
I did have no problem.
My system is now a ceres one!
So I did continue in the same kind.
Code:apt install links2 didiwiki cups
apt install links2 didiwiki cups > iLinks2DidiwikiCups
apt install links2 didiwiki cups(with those 3 packages you can read smart texts and print then out in pure commando line (cups works in CLI!!! and didiwiki gives you an extremly easy way for fat, italic and underlined writing! and using an other console, yes, you can interchange the CLI consoles, you can mark text in Links and port it in an other tab in Links! useful for texts like man pages, forum threads etc. if you meet difficulties!). test pls if the mouse works or install also gpm! check if you need somewhat from the proposed packages being not to be installed! You can with "cursor up" immediately repeat the action before you really start this step of installation (this will be the same each next step of installation!
next step (cursor up)
continue in same procedere:
Code:apt install links2 didiwiki cups deborphan menu xorg jwm
apt install links2 didiwiki cups deborphan menu xorg jwm > iDeborphanMenuXorgJwm
apt install links2 didiwiki cups deborphan menu xorg jwm(apt will of course only process the 3 new items!)
as I did do it, I know now. that the menu in JWM will be unexact, you have to rewrite the line in /etc/jwm/system.jwmrc for the console and write the right name you will find for the console in /usr/bin ;-).
and, now, you can go into X-window
with
Code:xinit(if success quit immediately with "exit" in the probably offered console; if main difficulties, change the commando line console and reboot the system with CTRL+ALT+DEL! And reboot and continue: you need xinit only at the first time!)
if no success enter now
Code:startxand I hope you will have, as I did immediately have, SUCCESS!
ENJOY YOUR NEW GRAPHIC MINIMAL SYSTEM!!!
(You can also try to install "ratpoison" before you try jwm! Ratpoison need after the package "menu" the package "9menu" to offer a menu to you! And look with attention at the right top corner of the screen ratpoison being starting: a few seconds you will see the help, after that not ;-) )
The next step will probably be a browser (midori ? midori works very well now). A forgotten editor for X window is preinstalled xedit ! Try it if you don't like nano (works in X) or VI ! idem for the calculator.
The Debian menu you will find is a kind of disease. If you will use it, you can add missing items eventually if you feed /usr/share/applications !
Or install xfce4-appfinder (of course, you also can immediately install xfce4 instead of jwm! But as old puppy user and fan from baslin [basic linux] I love JWM and it needs so few memory room!
did you already make attention that about no distribution understood that children need a music sheet editor being important for her education? one of the more small one is nted! install it please immediately together with mhwaveedit. in mtpaint, you can make screenshots and immediately crop and resize then really easily! for those app's look with attention for the proposed packages not being immediately installed with if you don't include then yourself: you learn so best the system of dependencies of linux making a pyramid of super tools permanently actualised for all applications having then in the dependencies!
ENJOY THE JOB OF OPTIMISE YOUR INSTALLATION STEP BY STEP!