Shrinking states: a positive future with fewer people? – podcast

The fertility rate in England and Wales has fallen for the third year in a row - a trend mirrored across the world, with two-thirds of the global population now living in countries with below-replacement-level fertility. In the second episode of a two-part series, Madeleine Finlay speaks to Dean Spears, assistant professor of economics at the University of Texas at Austin, and Dr Jennifer Sciubba, chief executive of the Population Reference Bureau, to ask whether declining birth rates are really something to worry about - and how societies can adapt to a future with fewer children.

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Listen to episode one: are we on a path to depopulation?

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