Yep (Score: 1) by nightsky30@pipedot.org on 2014-07-09 11:49 (#2CM) Pretty much what I voted for. Also what I donate to...And just in case any new pipers haven't seen it, or maybe you just live under a rock or in your parent's basement:http://www.solarroadways.com/donations.shtml Re: Yep (Score: 2, Insightful) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2014-07-09 16:23 (#2D1) just in case any new pipers haven't seen it, or maybe you just live under a rock or in your parent's basement:Or marybe you can do math.Look, you want solar power? (and you should) Put panels on your roof.Want solar parking lots? Put panels OVER the parking lot.Both of these are easy, cost effective, and not experimental.Solar roadways is an expensive pipedream distraction, not a solution. Re: Yep (Score: 1) by nightsky30@pipedot.org on 2014-07-09 17:21 (#2D2) an expensive pipedream distraction, not a solution.While I respect your opinion, I believe the same sentiment was shared by some members of society about computers back in the day. If we had stopped using them or trying to innovate when computers still relied on vacuum tubes, where would we be today? Re: Yep (Score: 1) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2014-07-10 07:07 (#2E6) While I respect your opinion, I believe the same sentiment was shared by some members of society about computers back in the day. If we had stopped using them or trying to innovate when computers still relied on vacuum tubes, where would we be today?I guess I don't think there are any real parallels in that analogy. There were very very few naysayers about computers. It was clear to just about everyone that they would serve a purpose. There was a lot of doubt and terrible guesses about how much they would do or what they would be used for.SolarRoadways solves exactly 2 problems:* something to drive on* powerIt's hard for me to imagine them solving any more [real] problems. Like -- really hard. I mean, those are the goals, right? Those are the end goals.There exists N solutions for those 2 problems, for example:* asphalt* solar panels (on roofs, over parking lots, etc)There is no way, at all, that SolarRoadways will ever be price or performance equivalent to either of those. Ever*. By orders of magnitude.We should invest time and money into existing solutions rather than this non-solution.* nano-tech will change everything in unpredictable ways. We would do better to invest in that research, for example.
Re: Yep (Score: 2, Insightful) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2014-07-09 16:23 (#2D1) just in case any new pipers haven't seen it, or maybe you just live under a rock or in your parent's basement:Or marybe you can do math.Look, you want solar power? (and you should) Put panels on your roof.Want solar parking lots? Put panels OVER the parking lot.Both of these are easy, cost effective, and not experimental.Solar roadways is an expensive pipedream distraction, not a solution. Re: Yep (Score: 1) by nightsky30@pipedot.org on 2014-07-09 17:21 (#2D2) an expensive pipedream distraction, not a solution.While I respect your opinion, I believe the same sentiment was shared by some members of society about computers back in the day. If we had stopped using them or trying to innovate when computers still relied on vacuum tubes, where would we be today? Re: Yep (Score: 1) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2014-07-10 07:07 (#2E6) While I respect your opinion, I believe the same sentiment was shared by some members of society about computers back in the day. If we had stopped using them or trying to innovate when computers still relied on vacuum tubes, where would we be today?I guess I don't think there are any real parallels in that analogy. There were very very few naysayers about computers. It was clear to just about everyone that they would serve a purpose. There was a lot of doubt and terrible guesses about how much they would do or what they would be used for.SolarRoadways solves exactly 2 problems:* something to drive on* powerIt's hard for me to imagine them solving any more [real] problems. Like -- really hard. I mean, those are the goals, right? Those are the end goals.There exists N solutions for those 2 problems, for example:* asphalt* solar panels (on roofs, over parking lots, etc)There is no way, at all, that SolarRoadways will ever be price or performance equivalent to either of those. Ever*. By orders of magnitude.We should invest time and money into existing solutions rather than this non-solution.* nano-tech will change everything in unpredictable ways. We would do better to invest in that research, for example.
Re: Yep (Score: 1) by nightsky30@pipedot.org on 2014-07-09 17:21 (#2D2) an expensive pipedream distraction, not a solution.While I respect your opinion, I believe the same sentiment was shared by some members of society about computers back in the day. If we had stopped using them or trying to innovate when computers still relied on vacuum tubes, where would we be today? Re: Yep (Score: 1) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2014-07-10 07:07 (#2E6) While I respect your opinion, I believe the same sentiment was shared by some members of society about computers back in the day. If we had stopped using them or trying to innovate when computers still relied on vacuum tubes, where would we be today?I guess I don't think there are any real parallels in that analogy. There were very very few naysayers about computers. It was clear to just about everyone that they would serve a purpose. There was a lot of doubt and terrible guesses about how much they would do or what they would be used for.SolarRoadways solves exactly 2 problems:* something to drive on* powerIt's hard for me to imagine them solving any more [real] problems. Like -- really hard. I mean, those are the goals, right? Those are the end goals.There exists N solutions for those 2 problems, for example:* asphalt* solar panels (on roofs, over parking lots, etc)There is no way, at all, that SolarRoadways will ever be price or performance equivalent to either of those. Ever*. By orders of magnitude.We should invest time and money into existing solutions rather than this non-solution.* nano-tech will change everything in unpredictable ways. We would do better to invest in that research, for example.
Re: Yep (Score: 1) by kwerle@pipedot.org on 2014-07-10 07:07 (#2E6) While I respect your opinion, I believe the same sentiment was shared by some members of society about computers back in the day. If we had stopped using them or trying to innovate when computers still relied on vacuum tubes, where would we be today?I guess I don't think there are any real parallels in that analogy. There were very very few naysayers about computers. It was clear to just about everyone that they would serve a purpose. There was a lot of doubt and terrible guesses about how much they would do or what they would be used for.SolarRoadways solves exactly 2 problems:* something to drive on* powerIt's hard for me to imagine them solving any more [real] problems. Like -- really hard. I mean, those are the goals, right? Those are the end goals.There exists N solutions for those 2 problems, for example:* asphalt* solar panels (on roofs, over parking lots, etc)There is no way, at all, that SolarRoadways will ever be price or performance equivalent to either of those. Ever*. By orders of magnitude.We should invest time and money into existing solutions rather than this non-solution.* nano-tech will change everything in unpredictable ways. We would do better to invest in that research, for example.