The GR doesn't attempt to change the default init for Jessie (Score: 1) by seriously@pipedot.org on 2014-10-18 07:27 (#2TEX) from the GR itself, section 3:The TC's decision on the default init system for Linux in jessie stands undisturbed.In other words, to systemd supporters: "don't panic", to systemd haters: "they're trying to find a solution that's good for everyone".Is this vote an attempt to delay the inevitable?On the one hand, there is no delaying systemd as the default init, that's a given. On the other hand, indeed, the main concern is that we're supposed to be only 3 weeks away from Jessie's freeze and that GR could delay the whole thing (as in a 2-month to 2-year delay depending on many factors). Re: The GR doesn't attempt to change the default init for Jessie (Score: 2) by skarjak@pipedot.org on 2014-10-18 13:32 (#2TF1) When I wrote that, I meant that I saw as inevitable that systemd would eventually be the only init system with decent support from developpers. It's been adopted to be at the heart of pretty much every major distro now. In that sense, by trying to make it so the next version of Debian has to offer support for other init systems, they would be delaying the inevitable, since presumably the next version after that would get rid of this support. Although I guess you could argue the delay would help transition. Re: The GR doesn't attempt to change the default init for Jessie (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-20 19:50 (#2TH9) The idea of there being one init system to rule them all and in the darkness bind them I think has a LOT to do with negative attitudes toward systemd in the first place. If Poettering could spend more time coding and less time actively seeking the destruction of other functional, stable, and good software (before having anything all that stable/functional to replace it with, in many cases), he'd be a lot more welcome in my book. Pulseaudio works great when you need what it has to offer, and while there may be quirks about it I'd like to see done otherwise, well...that's hardly something I'd have much place complaining about not producing something that does what it does to replace it with. What doesn't work great is when you take out an underlying functionality and replace it with something unfinished and broken. When you simultaneously make going back purposely difficult or impossible, it's even more insidious.I seriously hope he mellows out as he gets older. This "aint monoculture neat?" trend really is getting quite old, and for someone who apparently can make decent software tools FOR THOSE THAT WANT THEM, he really is wasting that on playing this Borg-ish villain role.In any case, I'll keep using my SysV setup with BSD-style init scripts and pulseaudio and enjoying an open Linux environment while it lasts. Hopefully Debian can figure out a reasonable way to navigate the path ahead with some grace...it'd be a shame to see them dashed on the rocks by this state of affairs.
Re: The GR doesn't attempt to change the default init for Jessie (Score: 2) by skarjak@pipedot.org on 2014-10-18 13:32 (#2TF1) When I wrote that, I meant that I saw as inevitable that systemd would eventually be the only init system with decent support from developpers. It's been adopted to be at the heart of pretty much every major distro now. In that sense, by trying to make it so the next version of Debian has to offer support for other init systems, they would be delaying the inevitable, since presumably the next version after that would get rid of this support. Although I guess you could argue the delay would help transition. Re: The GR doesn't attempt to change the default init for Jessie (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-20 19:50 (#2TH9) The idea of there being one init system to rule them all and in the darkness bind them I think has a LOT to do with negative attitudes toward systemd in the first place. If Poettering could spend more time coding and less time actively seeking the destruction of other functional, stable, and good software (before having anything all that stable/functional to replace it with, in many cases), he'd be a lot more welcome in my book. Pulseaudio works great when you need what it has to offer, and while there may be quirks about it I'd like to see done otherwise, well...that's hardly something I'd have much place complaining about not producing something that does what it does to replace it with. What doesn't work great is when you take out an underlying functionality and replace it with something unfinished and broken. When you simultaneously make going back purposely difficult or impossible, it's even more insidious.I seriously hope he mellows out as he gets older. This "aint monoculture neat?" trend really is getting quite old, and for someone who apparently can make decent software tools FOR THOSE THAT WANT THEM, he really is wasting that on playing this Borg-ish villain role.In any case, I'll keep using my SysV setup with BSD-style init scripts and pulseaudio and enjoying an open Linux environment while it lasts. Hopefully Debian can figure out a reasonable way to navigate the path ahead with some grace...it'd be a shame to see them dashed on the rocks by this state of affairs.
Re: The GR doesn't attempt to change the default init for Jessie (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-20 19:50 (#2TH9) The idea of there being one init system to rule them all and in the darkness bind them I think has a LOT to do with negative attitudes toward systemd in the first place. If Poettering could spend more time coding and less time actively seeking the destruction of other functional, stable, and good software (before having anything all that stable/functional to replace it with, in many cases), he'd be a lot more welcome in my book. Pulseaudio works great when you need what it has to offer, and while there may be quirks about it I'd like to see done otherwise, well...that's hardly something I'd have much place complaining about not producing something that does what it does to replace it with. What doesn't work great is when you take out an underlying functionality and replace it with something unfinished and broken. When you simultaneously make going back purposely difficult or impossible, it's even more insidious.I seriously hope he mellows out as he gets older. This "aint monoculture neat?" trend really is getting quite old, and for someone who apparently can make decent software tools FOR THOSE THAT WANT THEM, he really is wasting that on playing this Borg-ish villain role.In any case, I'll keep using my SysV setup with BSD-style init scripts and pulseaudio and enjoying an open Linux environment while it lasts. Hopefully Debian can figure out a reasonable way to navigate the path ahead with some grace...it'd be a shame to see them dashed on the rocks by this state of affairs.