The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 2, Interesting) by mth@pipedot.org on 2015-02-01 05:06 (#2WVJ) The wine bottle with a plastic bladder sounds much like existing cardboard containers, except that it's a cillinder instead of a block. Maybe the shape helps break into the mid-price segment (the author who claims $15 wine is for "chugging" must live in a different world), but it's not a big step in my eyes.The beer bottle on the other hand, without the plastic bladder, is actually a step forward in terms of recycling: while cardboard and plastic can be recycled when separated, that is not possible or worthwhile when they are joined together, as far as I know. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 3, Interesting) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-01 06:44 (#2WVM) I was wondering which is more substanable, plastic coated cardboard or glass. How about an aluminium bladder in cardboard? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by reziac@pipedot.org on 2015-02-02 18:54 (#2WVZ) An article that contemplates this very issue:http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2011/03/disoriented_in_the_dairy_aisle.html Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:03 (#2WW7) Nice overview, but no answers. Thanks for the link. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-02-04 20:53 (#2WWS) Around here, milk comes in unrefrigerated cardboard cartons, and it has an unopened shelf life of months. No need to freeze it for shipping, just pile crates and crates onto a truck and take 'em. Why don't they have that kinda milk in the USA? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 22:36 (#2WWV) You misunderstand. The freezing is for extra structural strength. Milk crates are needed because the containers aren't strong enough to support the weight of several more rows of containers on top of them. Freezing turns the milk itself into extra structure that will support the weight, without the need for milk crates or similar, reducing shipping weight and volume.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 3, Interesting) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-01 06:44 (#2WVM) I was wondering which is more substanable, plastic coated cardboard or glass. How about an aluminium bladder in cardboard? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by reziac@pipedot.org on 2015-02-02 18:54 (#2WVZ) An article that contemplates this very issue:http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2011/03/disoriented_in_the_dairy_aisle.html Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:03 (#2WW7) Nice overview, but no answers. Thanks for the link. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-02-04 20:53 (#2WWS) Around here, milk comes in unrefrigerated cardboard cartons, and it has an unopened shelf life of months. No need to freeze it for shipping, just pile crates and crates onto a truck and take 'em. Why don't they have that kinda milk in the USA? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 22:36 (#2WWV) You misunderstand. The freezing is for extra structural strength. Milk crates are needed because the containers aren't strong enough to support the weight of several more rows of containers on top of them. Freezing turns the milk itself into extra structure that will support the weight, without the need for milk crates or similar, reducing shipping weight and volume.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by reziac@pipedot.org on 2015-02-02 18:54 (#2WVZ) An article that contemplates this very issue:http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2011/03/disoriented_in_the_dairy_aisle.html Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:03 (#2WW7) Nice overview, but no answers. Thanks for the link. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-02-04 20:53 (#2WWS) Around here, milk comes in unrefrigerated cardboard cartons, and it has an unopened shelf life of months. No need to freeze it for shipping, just pile crates and crates onto a truck and take 'em. Why don't they have that kinda milk in the USA? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 22:36 (#2WWV) You misunderstand. The freezing is for extra structural strength. Milk crates are needed because the containers aren't strong enough to support the weight of several more rows of containers on top of them. Freezing turns the milk itself into extra structure that will support the weight, without the need for milk crates or similar, reducing shipping weight and volume.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:03 (#2WW7) Nice overview, but no answers. Thanks for the link. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-02-04 20:53 (#2WWS) Around here, milk comes in unrefrigerated cardboard cartons, and it has an unopened shelf life of months. No need to freeze it for shipping, just pile crates and crates onto a truck and take 'em. Why don't they have that kinda milk in the USA? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 22:36 (#2WWV) You misunderstand. The freezing is for extra structural strength. Milk crates are needed because the containers aren't strong enough to support the weight of several more rows of containers on top of them. Freezing turns the milk itself into extra structure that will support the weight, without the need for milk crates or similar, reducing shipping weight and volume.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-02-04 20:53 (#2WWS) Around here, milk comes in unrefrigerated cardboard cartons, and it has an unopened shelf life of months. No need to freeze it for shipping, just pile crates and crates onto a truck and take 'em. Why don't they have that kinda milk in the USA? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 22:36 (#2WWV) You misunderstand. The freezing is for extra structural strength. Milk crates are needed because the containers aren't strong enough to support the weight of several more rows of containers on top of them. Freezing turns the milk itself into extra structure that will support the weight, without the need for milk crates or similar, reducing shipping weight and volume.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on 2015-02-04 20:53 (#2WWS) Around here, milk comes in unrefrigerated cardboard cartons, and it has an unopened shelf life of months. No need to freeze it for shipping, just pile crates and crates onto a truck and take 'em. Why don't they have that kinda milk in the USA? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 22:36 (#2WWV) You misunderstand. The freezing is for extra structural strength. Milk crates are needed because the containers aren't strong enough to support the weight of several more rows of containers on top of them. Freezing turns the milk itself into extra structure that will support the weight, without the need for milk crates or similar, reducing shipping weight and volume.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 22:36 (#2WWV) You misunderstand. The freezing is for extra structural strength. Milk crates are needed because the containers aren't strong enough to support the weight of several more rows of containers on top of them. Freezing turns the milk itself into extra structure that will support the weight, without the need for milk crates or similar, reducing shipping weight and volume.