The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 2, Interesting) by mth@pipedot.org on 2015-02-01 05:06 (#2WVJ) The wine bottle with a plastic bladder sounds much like existing cardboard containers, except that it's a cillinder instead of a block. Maybe the shape helps break into the mid-price segment (the author who claims $15 wine is for "chugging" must live in a different world), but it's not a big step in my eyes.The beer bottle on the other hand, without the plastic bladder, is actually a step forward in terms of recycling: while cardboard and plastic can be recycled when separated, that is not possible or worthwhile when they are joined together, as far as I know. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 3, Interesting) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-01 06:44 (#2WVM) I was wondering which is more substanable, plastic coated cardboard or glass. How about an aluminium bladder in cardboard? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by reziac@pipedot.org on 2015-02-02 18:54 (#2WVZ) An article that contemplates this very issue:http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2011/03/disoriented_in_the_dairy_aisle.html Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:03 (#2WW7) Nice overview, but no answers. Thanks for the link. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 00:24 (#2WWF) Wouldn't freezing cause the water and milk solids to separate? Could also change the taste. Also, would frozen items be more costly and difficult to transport than chilled items? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 09:51 (#2WWH) Yes, the fat and water freezes at different temperatures, but once fully thawed they mix together and the taste is indistinguishable. Maybe that's only true of homogenized milk? Haven't tried it with non-homogenized.Transporting an item that's far below its target temperature is considerably cheaper... The train cars or truck trailers don't need active refrigeration system, as it'll take at least a couple days to thaw out, and should be at its destination long before then. The volume increases by a small amount, but eliminating the need for extra structure (like milk crates) should save even more space, and most importantly, weight. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-05 17:04 (#2WX3) Starting to wonder if I'm a milk sommelier. Some people really can't tell the difference between two buck chuck and a superb vintage, I wonder If I just have a crazy milk discerning palate. I guess that's what happens when your baby sitters are dairy farmers.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 3, Interesting) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-01 06:44 (#2WVM) I was wondering which is more substanable, plastic coated cardboard or glass. How about an aluminium bladder in cardboard? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by reziac@pipedot.org on 2015-02-02 18:54 (#2WVZ) An article that contemplates this very issue:http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2011/03/disoriented_in_the_dairy_aisle.html Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:03 (#2WW7) Nice overview, but no answers. Thanks for the link. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 00:24 (#2WWF) Wouldn't freezing cause the water and milk solids to separate? Could also change the taste. Also, would frozen items be more costly and difficult to transport than chilled items? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 09:51 (#2WWH) Yes, the fat and water freezes at different temperatures, but once fully thawed they mix together and the taste is indistinguishable. Maybe that's only true of homogenized milk? Haven't tried it with non-homogenized.Transporting an item that's far below its target temperature is considerably cheaper... The train cars or truck trailers don't need active refrigeration system, as it'll take at least a couple days to thaw out, and should be at its destination long before then. The volume increases by a small amount, but eliminating the need for extra structure (like milk crates) should save even more space, and most importantly, weight. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-05 17:04 (#2WX3) Starting to wonder if I'm a milk sommelier. Some people really can't tell the difference between two buck chuck and a superb vintage, I wonder If I just have a crazy milk discerning palate. I guess that's what happens when your baby sitters are dairy farmers.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by reziac@pipedot.org on 2015-02-02 18:54 (#2WVZ) An article that contemplates this very issue:http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2011/03/disoriented_in_the_dairy_aisle.html Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:03 (#2WW7) Nice overview, but no answers. Thanks for the link. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 00:24 (#2WWF) Wouldn't freezing cause the water and milk solids to separate? Could also change the taste. Also, would frozen items be more costly and difficult to transport than chilled items? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 09:51 (#2WWH) Yes, the fat and water freezes at different temperatures, but once fully thawed they mix together and the taste is indistinguishable. Maybe that's only true of homogenized milk? Haven't tried it with non-homogenized.Transporting an item that's far below its target temperature is considerably cheaper... The train cars or truck trailers don't need active refrigeration system, as it'll take at least a couple days to thaw out, and should be at its destination long before then. The volume increases by a small amount, but eliminating the need for extra structure (like milk crates) should save even more space, and most importantly, weight. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-05 17:04 (#2WX3) Starting to wonder if I'm a milk sommelier. Some people really can't tell the difference between two buck chuck and a superb vintage, I wonder If I just have a crazy milk discerning palate. I guess that's what happens when your baby sitters are dairy farmers.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:03 (#2WW7) Nice overview, but no answers. Thanks for the link. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 00:24 (#2WWF) Wouldn't freezing cause the water and milk solids to separate? Could also change the taste. Also, would frozen items be more costly and difficult to transport than chilled items? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 09:51 (#2WWH) Yes, the fat and water freezes at different temperatures, but once fully thawed they mix together and the taste is indistinguishable. Maybe that's only true of homogenized milk? Haven't tried it with non-homogenized.Transporting an item that's far below its target temperature is considerably cheaper... The train cars or truck trailers don't need active refrigeration system, as it'll take at least a couple days to thaw out, and should be at its destination long before then. The volume increases by a small amount, but eliminating the need for extra structure (like milk crates) should save even more space, and most importantly, weight. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-05 17:04 (#2WX3) Starting to wonder if I'm a milk sommelier. Some people really can't tell the difference between two buck chuck and a superb vintage, I wonder If I just have a crazy milk discerning palate. I guess that's what happens when your baby sitters are dairy farmers.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 00:24 (#2WWF) Wouldn't freezing cause the water and milk solids to separate? Could also change the taste. Also, would frozen items be more costly and difficult to transport than chilled items? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 09:51 (#2WWH) Yes, the fat and water freezes at different temperatures, but once fully thawed they mix together and the taste is indistinguishable. Maybe that's only true of homogenized milk? Haven't tried it with non-homogenized.Transporting an item that's far below its target temperature is considerably cheaper... The train cars or truck trailers don't need active refrigeration system, as it'll take at least a couple days to thaw out, and should be at its destination long before then. The volume increases by a small amount, but eliminating the need for extra structure (like milk crates) should save even more space, and most importantly, weight. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-05 17:04 (#2WX3) Starting to wonder if I'm a milk sommelier. Some people really can't tell the difference between two buck chuck and a superb vintage, I wonder If I just have a crazy milk discerning palate. I guess that's what happens when your baby sitters are dairy farmers.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 00:24 (#2WWF) Wouldn't freezing cause the water and milk solids to separate? Could also change the taste. Also, would frozen items be more costly and difficult to transport than chilled items? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 09:51 (#2WWH) Yes, the fat and water freezes at different temperatures, but once fully thawed they mix together and the taste is indistinguishable. Maybe that's only true of homogenized milk? Haven't tried it with non-homogenized.Transporting an item that's far below its target temperature is considerably cheaper... The train cars or truck trailers don't need active refrigeration system, as it'll take at least a couple days to thaw out, and should be at its destination long before then. The volume increases by a small amount, but eliminating the need for extra structure (like milk crates) should save even more space, and most importantly, weight. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-05 17:04 (#2WX3) Starting to wonder if I'm a milk sommelier. Some people really can't tell the difference between two buck chuck and a superb vintage, I wonder If I just have a crazy milk discerning palate. I guess that's what happens when your baby sitters are dairy farmers.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-04 09:51 (#2WWH) Yes, the fat and water freezes at different temperatures, but once fully thawed they mix together and the taste is indistinguishable. Maybe that's only true of homogenized milk? Haven't tried it with non-homogenized.Transporting an item that's far below its target temperature is considerably cheaper... The train cars or truck trailers don't need active refrigeration system, as it'll take at least a couple days to thaw out, and should be at its destination long before then. The volume increases by a small amount, but eliminating the need for extra structure (like milk crates) should save even more space, and most importantly, weight. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-05 17:04 (#2WX3) Starting to wonder if I'm a milk sommelier. Some people really can't tell the difference between two buck chuck and a superb vintage, I wonder If I just have a crazy milk discerning palate. I guess that's what happens when your baby sitters are dairy farmers.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-05 17:04 (#2WX3) Starting to wonder if I'm a milk sommelier. Some people really can't tell the difference between two buck chuck and a superb vintage, I wonder If I just have a crazy milk discerning palate. I guess that's what happens when your baby sitters are dairy farmers.