Don't buy it! (Score: 1) by email@example.com on 2015-04-23 12:42 (#7NFJ) If there is product with a black box of secrets, the answer is to simply not buy it. If you buy something with a black box, don't complain when they do something bad to you, reverse engineer it or buy something without a black box. There is almost nothing that doesn't have an open and free or reverse engineered alternative. The general populace started the PC revolution with proprietary everything and we are still working hard to undo that mistake. Re: Don't buy it! (Score: 1) by firstname.lastname@example.org on 2015-04-23 16:12 (#7NYK) Do any exist? I can't think of a single automobile on the market that doesn't come with enough chips, sensors, and electronics to choke a donkey. Re: Don't buy it! (Score: 1) by email@example.com on 2015-04-24 05:47 (#7Q5D) cars have had their black boxes pried open by congress. companies must provide an OBDII interface. however, there are reverse engineered ECU solutions like at http://openecu.org as well as from scratch ECU replacements like at http://rusefi.com Re: Don't buy it! (Score: 1) by firstname.lastname@example.org on 2015-04-26 01:28 (#7TTC) Yes, there are aftermarket ECUs and also ECUs for racing that could be adapted to run a street car. But in my state (NY), my car has to pass a state inspection every year that is partly done through the OBDII interface. The inspection station querys the engine computer to make sure that the emissions system is working correctly. When I looked at the two sites you mention I didn't see any mention of this capability (maybe I'm not looking in the right place)?