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Re: Maybe this says more about journalists? (Score: 1)

by danieldvorkin@pipedot.org in Social Networking Enters the Age of Angst on 2014-05-05 21:45 (#1DG)

It's crazy - like, "let's create an app that helps people get raped and killed."
Anything that enables face-to-face social interaction could be described as "help[ing] people get raped and killed." It's kind of silly to see that as the most important thing about the app.

Re: Maybe this says more about journalists? (Score: 1)

by zafiro17@pipedot.org in Social Networking Enters the Age of Angst on 2014-05-05 21:43 (#1DF)

The new generation doesn't care about real names. Hear about that new app - currently the hottest craze on earth - where you get to a new city on some business trip and it helps link you up with people of the age and profile you choose? It's crazy - like, "let's create an app that helps people get raped and killed." The new generation doesn't care. They will when the shit hits the fan.

Re: congratulations on an awesome achievement! (Score: 3, Insightful)

by fatphil@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 21:11 (#1DE)

It looks written from scratch. There don't seem to be any crappy old boondoggles cluttering it up and useless "feature" slowing it down.

Yet again, many thanks Bryan!

Re: Awesome!! (Score: 2)

by omoc@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 21:01 (#1DD)

awesome indeed! I hope we can get rid of the horrible slashcode over at Soylent now :P

Re: congratulations on an awesome achievement! (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 21:00 (#1DC)

I too find myself less and less on Soylent. The *no javascript* at all cost just sucks and makes everything very annoying. The color scheme makes my eyes bleed and the 10 mod points for a couple of hours you'll get maybe every two weeks is just ridiculous.

Re: Thanks (Score: 1)

by zafiro17@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 20:36 (#1DB)

Just thinking out loud here, brainstorming, really:

Paid subscribers get to see more than the first 20 comments? I'm not sure IMAP email (I've already got one) is a huge benefit. Or like the Android app model: paid subscribers see no ad banners. Not sure if it would everywhere, but at b3ta.com paid members get a little icon next to their names, which becomes a bit of a status symbol over time. I think they also offer different icons per year, so if you wanted the polar bear you had to be a member in '06 or something like that. Or the icon reflects number of years as a paid member? Maybe the email notification of responses to your post is a paid feature or something? By the way, $12/yr is a decent price point.

Re: License (Score: 2, Informative)

by bryan@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 19:50 (#1DA)

Wordpress , Drupal , MediaWiki , Joomla , PhpBB , MODX , and PHP-Nuke all chose vanilla GPL. MyBB is LGPL.

License (Score: 2, Interesting)

by jondo@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 19:27 (#1D9)

Hi Bryan, great job!

I see that you have chosen the GPLv3. I very much suggest to switch to AGPLv3, as this specifically protects code contributions for web apps.

Re: Did pipedot's pipe just get spammed? (Score: 5, Informative)

by bryan@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 17:43 (#1D8)

Added anonymous viewing of bugs.

Zomg, was this a bug in the bug tracker? Maybe I need another bug tracker to track bugs in the first bug tracker. I guess the GitHub page has an "issue" section too. Soylent is simply using the GitHub version.

Endgame (Score: 2, Interesting)

by Anonymous Coward in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 17:43 (#1D7)

Hi Bryan,

Do you have a long-term goal in mind for this project? Are we a test bed for the source code you are developing? Are you going to reach a "stable" code at some point and focus more on stories and promoting the site? Either way, great job so far.

Re: Maybe this says more about journalists? (Score: 2, Insightful)

by Anonymous Coward in Social Networking Enters the Age of Angst on 2014-05-05 17:41 (#1D6)

Not just the privacy aspects, but when everywhere is begging for likes so they can spam you on social networks, the appeal dies. I think there is a market for a social network that doesn't allow businesses to participate.

Re: Mass Deletion (Score: 1)

by bryan@pipedot.org in article submission is unprotected on 2014-05-05 17:25 (#1D5)

Captcha added to the submit page.

Re: Thanks (Score: 3, Informative)

by bryan@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 17:22 (#1D4)

Likely an optional subscription (around a dollar per month or so.)

As a reward, subscribers would get certain "heavy" features activated like an IMAP email account and extra storage for the blog.

Re: Did pipedot's pipe just get spammed? (Score: 4, Informative)

by bryan@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 17:17 (#1D3)

Captcha added to submit page. Damn spammers.

Re: congratulations on an awesome achievement! (Score: 3, Insightful)

by Anonymous Coward in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 16:57 (#1D2)

Democracy tends to work only when a solid baseline has been established. I wouldn't expect a bunch of settlers to a new continent to function entirely by democracy, at least not very well. There's also the matter that a lot of this baseline stuff is, in the end, not important for the majority of users, and that their input is not needed.

Why are people not contributing to the vote on soylent? It's pointlessly difficult, for one, but I also think it's just because people don't care about the name. It works and they remember it, what's the problem? It was chosen early on by a benevolent dictator and people accepted it. Why change it? It's not like many of us would know something about marketing anyway.

Apparently, someone had a patch over there to get collapsible comments before the whole ownership saga. Where are they now? There's no way in hell they'll accept pipecode within the next millenium.

Bug Report Filed (Score: 1)

by songofthepogo@pipedot.org in article submission is unprotected on 2014-05-05 16:41 (#1D1)

It looks as though someone has submitted a bug report on this. For future reference, bugs can be submitted here (login required).

Re: internet law? (Score: 3, Interesting)

by rocks@pipedot.org in Stephen Hawking on the dangers of advanced AI on 2014-05-05 16:40 (#1D0)

You have touched on two of my pet peeves as well: (1) when the messenger is more important than the message, and (2) when arrogance breeds the offering of opinions without appropriate pause for reflection. However, these seem so eminently human traits, they seem hard to criticize in an absolute sense. My latest approach to these things is just to ignore the bias implicit in listening to others based on perceived eminence and concentrate on their content or message. I suppose in the present context that means trying to say something sensible about the future of artificial intelligence or our fear of losing control over the AI we create... mmm...

I guess I would say we need to consider what purposes intelligences, whether natural or artifical, serve because -- presumably -- intelligence will evolve to support these purposes. And, there isn't enough conversation in society at all levels about the reasons for our moral (or purposeful) choices. Thus, I suppose I could be almost as afraid of the very rich and powerful making decisions which adversely affect my personhood as I am of any future artifical intelligence. Maybe this could change if we could demonstrate how choices for shared good outperform choices for personal good? Maybe an AI superior to our own natural intelligence could help us discover this?

Mass Deletion (Score: 1)

by songofthepogo@pipedot.org in article submission is unprotected on 2014-05-05 16:29 (#1CZ)

Hopefully, someone with access to the site source will perform a mass deletion of those already submitted, as removing them individually is beginning to give me an rsi. Also, my latte is getting cold.

Re: internet law? (Score: 4, Interesting)

by danieldvorkin@pipedot.org in Stephen Hawking on the dangers of advanced AI on 2014-05-05 14:44 (#1CY)

Oh, you're probably right--I make pronouncements about all kinds of things all the time, and if I had the kind of platform Hawking does I'm sure my dumber statements would be blown up to cringe-inducing proportions. OTOH, a lot of people will give such statements by Hawking, or any eminent scientist, far more credit than they deserve, and that's a problem. And it does seem that physicists are particularly prone to this kind of thing, although scientists in other fields certainly aren't immune.

Re: Maybe this says more about journalists? (Score: 1, Interesting)

by Anonymous Coward in Social Networking Enters the Age of Angst on 2014-05-05 14:16 (#1CX)

I'm sure it's just the inevitable saturation and loss of novelty, but I'd also like to think that a big part of it is that Facebook and Google+ both demand real user names, and people have slowly realized that they don't quite LIKE doing all their private communication in public, under their own name.

It's really distressing just how LITTLE complaining one sees about the "real name" policies, which strip the Internet of many of its key values, including "talking with strangers".

Re: congratulations on an awesome achievement! (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 13:45 (#1CW)

Ditto. I really hate the way Soylent looks at the moment, with such bad screen density and utility that it takes way too long to read any discussion. (And the brown doesn't help either.)

Hey did Bryan write pipecode completely from scratch? That seems extreme, but it works very well.

Re: Did pipedot's pipe just get spammed? (Score: 1)

by rocks@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 12:51 (#1CV)

Thank you!

Re: Did pipedot's pipe just get spammed? (Score: 4, Informative)

by eliphas@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 12:38 (#1CT)

Bottom of the page, "Bugs", right next to FAQ and the RSS feed. But you have to sign up (again, separate systems) to the bug tracker to submit or even view the bugs...

Re: Did pipedot's pipe just get spammed? (Score: 1)

by rocks@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 12:33 (#1CS)

for my edification, how do you submit a bug report here?

Re: internet law? (Score: 4, Insightful)

by rocks@pipedot.org in Stephen Hawking on the dangers of advanced AI on 2014-05-05 12:31 (#1CR)

I've heard this meme a lot and, for better or worse, I've often liked it. There is something refreshing about viewing the genius in our society as normal in other respects.

On the other hand, it takes amazing skill, luck, or fortune to become someone whose voice has a platform in society, its hard to judge someone for using the platform once they've reached this status. I figure we are all pretty opinionated about lots of topics in our own circles of influence?

Re: Did pipedot's pipe just get spammed? (Score: 3, Informative)

by eliphas@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 12:31 (#1CQ)

Yes, I just submitted a bug report about that. The stories submission is totally unprotected so auto-posting anything will work. He should at least enable the (nicely clever) captcha system already working on the "sign up" page.

Re: Maybe this says more about journalists? (Score: 2, Insightful)

by rocks@pipedot.org in Social Networking Enters the Age of Angst on 2014-05-05 12:28 (#1CP)

Then again, I think one of the reason's why I like Slashdot, Pipedot, etc. is to talk with interesting strangers over the internet.

My personal discomfort with social networking stems from the fact that there appears to be a great agenda to monetize my participation and, as part of that, to link my participation to all sorts of other things thus making me look over my shoulder about how comments in one setting might be used against me in another. I think there is a great market for the exchange of ideas on the internet whether through community forums or online courses or whatever, but I would like the mandate and reach of such community's to remain narrow.

Did pipedot's pipe just get spammed? (Score: 3, Informative)

by rocks@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 12:21 (#1CN)

I went to check out the stories in the pipe and came across a long list of gibberish stories with apparent links to items like "viagra pills" and whatnot?

Thanks (Score: 3, Interesting)

by dustin@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 12:14 (#1CM)

Thanks for sharing your hard work Bryan. Does pipedot have a strategy for paying for hosting pipedot.org when it gets more popular?

Awesome!! (Score: 4, Insightful)

by vanderhoth@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 10:24 (#1CK)

Awesome Job Bryan. It's always great when people give back to the community.

Re: congratulations on an awesome achievement! (Score: 4, Insightful)

by Anonymous Coward in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 09:13 (#1CJ)

Not likely, although frankly Pipedot code + Soylent numbers/community would be a win/win. The more I look at that old Slash code, the more my nostalgia for it fades and the more I'm annoyed by its antiquated interface.

But I doubt you'll convince them to change much of anything. Look how hard it has been to even discuss/vote on a name change? They seem to be burdened by, rather than benefiting from, the community spirit that drives the site - Democratic processes are fun but sometimes a benevolent dictator gets things done faster. Ever see that t-shirt of a pyramid, with the slogan 'slavery gets shit done'? That's a bit extreme - I'm not defending slavery - but it's easy to see kumbaya democracy undermining the ability of a community to be effective.

Maybe this says more about journalists? (Score: 2, Interesting)

by zafiro17@pipedot.org in Social Networking Enters the Age of Angst on 2014-05-05 09:08 (#1CH)

Who's to say? I concur that G+ isn't all that it was cracked up to be, and some of their decisions - like making any potential Youtube commenter a G+ member and then lauding the 'huge growth in users' - have been circumspect. As the Forbes article points out, the G+ thing was run by an ex-Microsofter who probably came pre-installed with that kind of crappy business tactic in his genetic code.

That said, all the pissing on current platforms might just reflect falling page-views in major media and the need to post/publish inflammatory articles that drive page views.

Anyway, given there doesn't seem to be - in my opinion - any alternative platforms out there, I don't see anyplace for people to 'go to.' Unless we've just grown tired of talking with strangers over the Internet. Not impossible.

congratulations on an awesome achievement! (Score: 3, Interesting)

by crutchy@pipedot.org in Pipecode source released on 2014-05-05 08:59 (#1CG)

i wonder if we can convince the powers that be over @ soylent to have a look at the possibility of maybe using pipecode... they might even be able to use apache2 :-P

Re: Gah! (Score: 2, Informative)

by bryan@pipedot.org in Social Networking Enters the Age of Angst on 2014-05-05 08:37 (#1CF)

can it be given a "parent" link, and the option to see its whole subtree?
Ya, I've been meaning to add that.

Re: Gah! (Score: 2, Insightful)

by fatphil@pipedot.org in Social Networking Enters the Age of Angst on 2014-05-05 07:49 (#1CE)

That Forbes article flows like honey compared to BBC News online article. By policy, every single sentence is a separate paragraph. This shows a disgusting disregard for all the principles of good writing that I was taught back when the UK had an education system that actually taught you something, and shows either the same disregard for the readers or is simply patronising to them.

Anyway, back on topic, I think a lot of it is simply fashion. Is there any reason to think that facebook or twitter will follow a different-shaped popularity curve from myspace's from last decade? I can't pretend to be an expert in any of the individual social media platforms, as I've never been a member of any of them, never seeing them as just stupid flashes in the pan pandering to people who weren't using the internet back in the 1980, and the web in the early 90s, say, and who want strokes from as many different directions as possible. And like other fashions, when you see your kid brother wearing the same types of clothes as you, and listening to the same music, you cringe and find anything exclusive and new to differentiate yourself from the likes of him. So your next hang-out was a pub, rather than the multi-story carpark. The bottom line is that both actually smell of piss, but you're briefly happy while you're there with like-minded individuals. Of course, as seen in platforms closer to home, it's just as easy to get fed up of the platform by it changing under your feet. I stopped listening to some metal radio stations when all they played was industrial sequenced synth shit^W^W^Wmetal. There's little reason to think that the users have any more loyalty to the platforms than the platforms have respect for the users. So in some ways, it's a non-story, as it's so predictable.

(Bryan: feature request - when looking at an prior post linked to from the mail messages, can it be given a "parent" link, and the option to see its whole subtree?)

(And fuck beta!)

Re: Wait a minute... (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward in Programming ruining my memory? on 2014-05-05 06:33 (#1CD)

Was I about to post a comment here?

Gah! (Score: 1)

by danieldvorkin@pipedot.org in Social Networking Enters the Age of Angst on 2014-05-05 04:59 (#1CC)

There might be some good information buried in that Forbes article, but reading it is like trying to read someone Tweeting a novel.

internet law? (Score: 2, Interesting)

by danieldvorkin@pipedot.org in Stephen Hawking on the dangers of advanced AI on 2014-05-05 04:31 (#1CB)

Isn't there a Somebody-or-other's Law that says that all eminent physicists will eventually embarrass themselves and everyone else by making silly pronouncements about things wildly outside their area of expertise? Sadly, Hawking seems to have reached that point in his career.

Re: Denyng the undeniable (Score: 3, Interesting)

by computermachine@pipedot.org in Stephen Hawking on the dangers of advanced AI on 2014-05-05 01:36 (#1CA)

In addition to the above those involved seem fixated on viewing their work as hyper-deterministic "machines" instead of beings .
Yes, since any advanced AI must be a self-learning system, only a limited control can be had over its evolution.

Denyng the undeniable (Score: 3, Insightful)

by ploling@pipedot.org in Stephen Hawking on the dangers of advanced AI on 2014-05-04 23:26 (#1C9)

We can't.

It's that simple and it ought to be obvious: by definition we are unable to predict the result of any general intelligence that is significantly improved over our own. It's not as we're any particularly good at predicting ourselves either or far "simpler" things like Langton's Ant but we're extremely good at pretending we can "predict" outcomes after we've done the same thing over and over again (which of course has nothing at all to do with any real prediction).

99.999999% of humanity has no clue as to the severe limits of determinism in complex uninhibited systems i.e. the real world. Maybe at most a few will cry out "but science!" without realizing that most hard science as it applies outside of laboratory environments is based on generalized empiricism rather than an imagined (because no such thing exists) form of hypothetical deterministic super-accounting.

Anyway back to the "we can't" answer: it is not an "acceptable" answer, in particular it is completely unacceptable to anyone with an interest in hard AI be it academic, financial, megalomanic, tangential, or anything else. Thus denial.

As for "weak AI" the same might apply but because (as with humans) any upsets would rely on unintended emergent properties and/or chaotic or orderly confluences it becomes a far harder argument that easily obfuscates and occults; and this makes it superb for derailing any and all discussions about hard AI so that one can even easily pretend one isn't in denial!

In addition to the above those involved seem fixated on viewing their work as hyper-deterministic "machines" instead of beings . To me that sounds like an incredibly efficient one-step recipe for disaster (both for humans and the AI).

Re: Cool (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward in Pipedot USB Drive on 2014-05-04 22:40 (#1C8)

I've been offered one but have instead decided to have it donated to an orphanage. Poor orphan kids with crappy bandwidth and not enough flash storage. It's a pity, really.

Hey, Dice/Slashdot never offered me anything except a kick in the head and a steadily declining interface. Actually, they didn't even offer - load the page and their craptastic GUI just boots you in the face.

Not just programmers (Score: 3, Interesting)

by Anonymous Coward in Programming ruining my memory? on 2014-05-04 22:37 (#1C7)

I am suffering something similar - it's a zen state of mind you need, and you can still get it, but it's getting harder. I'm a writer, not a programmer, and the challenge is the same. Tough to get into the zone with so many gadgets, widgets, and things on my desktop flashing for my attention. I do my best writing with the Internet connection turned off, and my best thinking when I'm walking the dogs. Studies show you're sharpest at this kind of stuff early in the day; if you're programming late at night it gets much harder, fast. Try getting up before dawn, drinking a cup of coffee, and setting down to your programming with a rested mind and the network connection turned off. It's a formula that's worked wonders for me.

Need balance (Score: 2, Insightful)

by zafiro17@pipedot.org in Leaders and their phones on 2014-05-04 22:34 (#1C6)

There's a balance to maintain here: I traveled extensively in Southeast Asia in '93, and decided to just live for the moment, no camera. These days, I kind of regret it - that was an awesome trip and I don't have many photos from it. On the other hand, the memories are great ...

I also never thought I'd carry a smartphone with a camera in it, but hey, here is a Note 3 in my pocket and I kind of love it. With my kids doing interesting things all the time, it's useful to be able to whip one out and capture it. I almost never carry my little video recorder anymore, which is a direct result of the camera phone.

Leaders don't need fancy phones, though. They should be reading, thinking, and speaking carefully, not suffering the distractions of the rest of the world. If they need a gadget, give them a nice, old Palm Pilot - just the basics.

Re: Wait a minute... (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward in Programming ruining my memory? on 2014-05-04 21:12 (#1C5)

I had the answer, but I've forgotten it

Wait a minute... (Score: 3, Funny)

by unitron@pipedot.org in Programming ruining my memory? on 2014-05-04 19:50 (#1C4)

...why did I load this thread?

Re: I always thought that DNT meant... (Score: 2, Interesting)

by rocks@pipedot.org in Help EFF Test Privacy Badger on 2014-05-04 16:41 (#1C3)

I've wondered similarly... and further thought that a better means of retaining some privacy in the modern internet might be providing lots of diverse data randomly in plain sight so that "true" information or signal is obscured by "false" information or noise.

Re: Reading your old code (Score: 3, Insightful)

by rocks@pipedot.org in Programming ruining my memory? on 2014-05-04 16:36 (#1C2)

One of the things with programming is that you usually need to interact with way more functions, libraries, and concepts than you can retain or burn into your memory. Your own code almost always falls into this category because you only hung out with the implementation while doing it and so it is not usually part of your embedded knowledge.

I have learned that "clever" code is almost never good long term unless you can implement it behind an interface and the underlying implementation rarely needs to be revisited. Otherwise, you're almost always better off writing transparent code with transparent naming conventions and functions structure whose purpose and behavour and layout are easy to "reoccupy" at a glance.

Difficult to test (Score: 2, Interesting)

by rocks@pipedot.org in Programming ruining my memory? on 2014-05-04 16:32 (#1C1)

Your hypothesis is interesting, but I suspect it would be difficult to test with control groups, is the change permanent, how much time need to see an effect, mitigating factors, etc. so we can only offer anecdotal impressions which may not be unbiased. That said...

In my experience, programming is a very specific type of mental activity that requires holding functional goals (what am I trying to achieve in a given function and how does it relate to an overall picture) and logical relationships (how is the division of labour distributed between my code, used libraries, class frameworks, design patterns and so on) in your head as you work away on locally very mundane building blocks. The memory of specific facts is useful at different moments, but usually you have dedicated your memory to how everything works together and you lean heavily on being able to look up the specific facts as needed in terms of function calls and so on. Your access and interaction with your memory is absolutely modified by this emphasis. And, the research on neuroplasticity suggests that this must lead to actualy brain changes if repeated in your life over continual periods of time.

In my experience, I HATE/STRUGGLE EXTREMELY trying to get into the "programmer's mindset" when I am switching from needing/wanting to garden, play sports, and so on; and I HATE/STRUGGLE EXTREMELY trying to get out of "programmer's mindset" when I need to brush up on mathematical background, learning in general, playing music, relaxing, and more analogue style activities. It suggests that we are using our mental resources very differently across different tasks.

Re: Record With Your Eyes (Score: 2, Informative)

by fatphil@pipedot.org in Leaders and their phones on 2014-05-04 08:39 (#1C0)

This is basically the only website that I use as a resource for info on lenses, as they have no perceptable bias:
http://www.photozone.de/Reviews/194-canon-ef-s-55-250mm-f4-56-is-test-report--review

If your bro-in-law wants some fun, then there's plenty to be had with this little puppy:
http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/254-peleng-8mm-f35-fisheye-converted-to-eos-mount-test-report--review
(which is available in native EOS mount, I don't know why they had to kludge it)

It's not necessarily the programming that's doing it (Score: 1)

by fatphil@pipedot.org in Programming ruining my memory? on 2014-05-04 08:32 (#1BZ)

Does not programming for a while bring your memory back?
You might simply be getting older. My short term memory was never up to much, but as I get older it gets noticeably worse.
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