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Microsoft purchased Skype. Millions left for other services. Microsoft replaced the front end of its software, Lync, with something called "Skype for Business" which is just crap. Both efforts are a failure.

So... any theories on how this could have evolved?

It's not clear that there is actually much wrong with systemd except the binary logging. But it's not clear that there isn't. And there were lots of horror stories about unrecoverable errors around a year ago. Perhaps they've addressed it since then.

OTOH, init was working perfectly fine in my use case, and I'd really rather not have switched. And systemd seems intent on swallowing so much stuff that nothing will work on both an init based system and a systemd based system. They aren't there yet, but...

So I don't trust the developers. And I'm upset at being coerced into using it. I *am* using it, but I'd really rather not be doing so. Systemd seems designed for administrators who administer a large number of servers/workstations/pcs. That's not me, and I'm unhappy at being coerced into using it. If Devuan ever gets its act together, I may well switch.

It looks and feels like something from microsoft.

Or Apple. I'm forced to keep a Mac. It has "launchd" and I freaking hate it with a passion. Especially because it subsumed cron. Now, in order to schedule jobs, you have to write lines upon lines of fucking XML. No way.

People also forget the Redhat's target is enterprise and enterprise is incredibly slow. My relatively small group isn't scheduled to finish testing a version with systemd until the end of the year.

There will certainly be some huge corporations that are upset about the switching costs, and how they are handled will be what decides systemd's future.

Perhaps next time try addressing at least one of the real points I made.

Where there is smoke...

Reviving the discussion for a good old PIR is always welcome. Has systemd won? Are users moving away to nonsystemd platforms? Will this impact the enterprise linux users? Does anyone care?

Frankly, I am more concerned about the TPP right now.

Look, it's great that you've got an opinion, but if you're going to post it as news, have the decency to say "EDITORIAL" at the top of it.

This site is getting a well deserved reputation for posting high quality submissions, and if the replies are few, they're generally thoughtful. It wouldn't take many posts like this to destroy that entirely.

On the other hand, if you're going to start regularly trolling for eyeballs, just say and I'll go elsewhere. I had enough of that on /.

I've found the web much easier on the ears since I made flash have to require permission to run on each site. The rare times I want it I simply need to right click -> "run this plugin".

Probably better for Ubuntu than Upstart. They never really finished moving from SysV Init scripts to Upstart Init scripts. At least now they have one less one-off NIH project. Now if the Wayland people can convince them to give up on Mir...

My quibble with systemd is with the binary log files. There may be some workarounds to get normal text logs out of the journal, but I'd rather not have to do such things by default.

Systemd may not be ideal, but systems continue to boot and function the way they are supposed to.

Thank you for that, I rarely laugh at anything on the Internet.

This is exactly what the problem is, SysV-init already worked perfectly before systemd. systemd doesn't bring anything to the table except for complexity and more dependence on the Redhat and Gnome group. That's why we oppose.

It only makes the job of OS distributors easier, that's why it's accepted all around. Debian guys no longer need to write any init scripts, they can just copy them from Redhat. That's why. Users opposing systemd are all bitten by it in some way or another. They criticise, and try to expose the flaws of systemd, but users' opinions don't matter in the free software world. Since no money changes hands, the developers are free to do whatever they like. See how GNOME went down.

Yeah, another funny thing. Imagine you go to a car dealer and the salesman pitches you some car. You tell him you don't like some aspect of the car and the salesman tells you "Let's see you do any better!". This is what it is.

People aren't doing systemd replacements because:

1- It's a bad idea. The goals of the project are broken, why should anyone try to imitate shit when they can already get shit ready made.

2- Surprise surprise, SystemV-init still works. If you run an older udevd (or eudev, I haven't checked it out) without systemd support, there is no impact on anything really. On my simple desktop machine at home, I have exactly one init script for the system. That's my replacement for systemd.

3- Nobody cares enough about this to allocate significant resources to it. You see, in the free software world, whoever commits his resources wins. It doesn't matter whether they are doing a good job or not. It reminds me of the demise of the Bluetooth support under Linux.

Shitty stuff is always like this, once its starts going around, it generates lots of talk. We could do a whole big discussion about how systemd fails but what's the point? Systemd proponents will still go "la la la I don't hear you, everybody is using it".

You make a good point. You are no expert. Okay. Your care factor may be finite compared to people who administrate production machines You could grab a copy of VM software, download some BSD and Linux ISOs to have a play. Screw the system up. Break it. Fix it. Install software. Get it working. Imagine doing this across 50 boxes. Now imagine 500. 5000. Make changes in a sysv init sequence. Make changes in a systemd system init. Learn what people are talking about. It's fun!

Android 2.x is Eclair - Honeycomb
Android 4.x is Ice Cream - Kit Kat
Android 5.x is Lollipop

As mentioned in the article, what ongoing resistance is actually there? I am in no way expert on systemd but the whole thing may be being blown out of proportion by few people who don't like systems or Sievers. Or who are resisting the change.And I keep wondering why would the more knowledgeable people (who make decisions at Debian etc) agree to go with it if it was that bad.Edit: Accidentally posted as reply to wrong post. Not sure how to fix...

Makes me think there is something wrong with systemd. All the assertions that you make to try to defend it seem manipulative. It's like whoever wrote it actually knows there is something wrong with it.

Perhaps the question should be: In the face of continued great ongoing resistance against a new init system why is it being shoved down everyone's throats? I have looked at systemd. I want no part of it. At all. It looks and feels like something from microsoft.

Or get a plugin to stop audio autoplay

with only scant knowledge of the implementation of systemd, i'll continue to be wary; I'll say, in large due to Linus' response to Kay Sievers requesting the kernel be patched to fix his own bugs.

I don't hold Linus in too high regard because of his often unnecessary crass, but he usually makes a great point. I've read a couple examples of cockyness and ego, and for me that raises red flags for potential vulnerability or simply poor coding - not much is more dangerous than a programmer who believes they don't make mistakes. I'm open to counter-examples tho, i'm not anti-systemd because of some movement, perhaps its simply this

At the risk of reigniting the flames, I think |. should have at least one systemd story that isn't negative and conspiratorial. Besides, maybe the issue can be hashed-out in on-topic comments, instead of spilling-over into all other stories.

Check to see if systemd is required. If so, start looking for a new OS.

Now we just need to convert excess solar energy produced during daylight hours to methane (Sabatier reaction) to power these natural gas generators.

Methane (natural gas) is much easier to store than the raw hydrogen produced from electrolysis.

coal is especially bad for the environment but fracking is just absurd. we are bombarded by free power every single day, so instead of ignoring it, let's use it!

Thank you for the warning. I decided not to follow the link.

I should just blacklist all sites that play audio without my requesting it.

Such a bizarre statement. MS didn't change Nokia phones hardly at all. They didn't even try. If they didn't want to change them they could have simply not purchased the company. It anything MS was too slow in developing windows phone 8, which according to reviews doesn't suck. But it came well after the iphone and andorid platforms stopped sucking. They were *years* late. The fell asleep at the wheel of inovation, and got crushed. having once had the best mobile os in winmobile circa 2003-2004.

I own the fscking releases, you insensitive clod!

So, it was flying on impulse level power? What you use when warp isn't an option.

It was found in the middle of the Pacific, actually.

This is new technology, or at least new application of existing technology. It is good that this obstacle was found now, and not, say, in the middle of the Atlantic.

no shit? EEE!

Yes, I remember looking at the N9 a few years ago, and don't remember much other than that I was impressed by how the UI functioned.

I am just sad that the Nokia N9, and specifically the user interface of that phone, doesn't seem to come back. The Joola people have stated that they don't own the rights to the UI, and considering the UI of their phone it doesn't look like they were the ones inventing it either.

Nokia N9 still has the best interface of any touch device I have ever tested: 3 screens.
#1 is apps in a scrollable, configurable list
#2 is all your active apps, running in parallel. Open one, close on, close all
#3 is all your messages, combined in one long chronological scroll list: Facebook, rss, twitter etc. No need to open any web page!
You navigate between the screens by swiping left or right. All apps are closed by swiping from top to bottom, and you leave to the home screen with the app running in the background by swiping from right to left. So elegant and simple

Microsoft is so big that they couldn't slow down to give their phones enough time to mature. Big companies have a lot of inertia and they don't like to carry the dead weight. It's a shame they burned through Nokia, but maybe Nokia will make a return.

Yet there is still a market for nokia 5110 phones.

I have to use Microsoft crappy sottware all day at work. There is no way I would have it on my phone. They must be nuts to think that people would actually want more Microsoft in their life.

Isn't this the very type of symbiotic relationship the ID crowd would crow about? They are wrong, but this is bound to make them very happy, indeed.

Something, something, irreducible complexity, something, something. Remove one part, the whole thing fails... yada, yada.

A quick Google later: It didn't take long at all to find an article pointing out how this could only have been intelligently designed.

I wonder how the ID crowd would explain this one..

Good incest pun. Brightened my day. Stored for future use if a situation calls for it.

HostGator shut down GamesNosh for covering Gamergate.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/quinnspiracy#gamenosh

btw, HostGator and BlueHost are the same company.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Endurance_International_Group&diff=661473110&oldid=659958396

Although the external email system is still undergoing testing, the internal messaging system (messaging other users from within the site) is working. The main concern for enabling SMTP is that I don't want to require users to wade through mountains of spam messages on a daily basis. Therefore, I've left the mail server off until I'm satisfied with all of the SpamAssassin/SPF/DNSBL/etc functions.

No, he's not right. The whole poll supposes that "distros" release discrete "versions". A rolling release like Arch does not. The poll has a missing choice.

Does it work? Or is it simply a mislabeled messaging system?

Godaddy is never a good answer, to any question.

When has Godaddy *not* been sinister? If this was dreamhost, host gator, bluehost, or aws, I'd give them the benifit of the doubt, but godaddy: no. Its either evil or stupid. Sometimes both.

If it was a DMCA takedown, the owner of the domain should have been notified, and it should only have been reinstated once the owner responded to the notice and accepted legal liability (no way any 3rd party could properly investigate a copyright infringement claim, certainly not in a few hours). Meanwhile "the Information Center said it received no explanation from the company for why its domain was taken down." and "Still we had not got a single communication from GoDaddy."

!wa is the quickest !bang for Wolfram|Alpha*. For anyone not using DDG yet, you can see all the !bangs here. I only use a few as well, but it's extremely powerful to be able to search other sites directly from any DDG bar.

Recently I tend to use
!w (Wikipedia)
!v (DDG's video search)
!wa (WolframAlpha)
!w3s (w3schools)

I still use Google's stuff, but find it easier to use DDG's search bar, since you can just type to search & get to any of them directly (no mouse required).
!yt (for something I know is on YouTube)
!m (Google Maps, since !osm OpenStreetMap doesn't work well where I live)
!n (Google news)
!g (Google. I find plain DDG to be better than Google for most queries, but if I need the answer to a specific question that will be on an obscure forum somewhere, Google is still better at finding those).

*(!wra, !wolfram, !alpha, !walpha, !wolframalpha also search WolframaAlpha)

My guess is that GoDaddy responded the same way that they probably do for any DMCA take down request -- take the site down first, and then wait to see if anyone notices or makes a stink. They must get way too many requests to research them individually.

The problem I was referring to was interactive CLI commands which prompt you for input, like FTP.

A lot of the articles paint him as a CEO with a developer background who was open to learning and forthright self-analysis. Something to admire.

I realize this is a moment for reflection, but I can't help wondering what comes next for Nintendo.