Story 2014-10-24 2TNS Tablets vs Chromebooks: an unexpected year

Tablets vs Chromebooks: an unexpected year

by
in hardware on (#2TNS)
So much for the Post-PC Revolution! Despite all the hype of tablets and their obvious benefits and use scenarios, the demise of traditional computing form factors seems to have been exaggerated. Never mind that 2014 will probably see over 250 million tablets shipped and sold, tablet sales are actually slowing. Analysts predict that Apple will probably face a year-long ipad sales dip, though it's hard to say what the effect of the most newly-released models will have.

But just as surprising, sales of Chromebooks have actually surged over the last two quarters. Gavin Clarke at the Register points out recent research that projects a doubling of the Chromebook market year on year, with HP, Samsung and Acer taking the lion's share of the market. They still represent a small share of the market, with only 4 million units shipped (of 300m convential PCs in total), so it's too soon to say the Chromebook revolution is here.

But it does show surprising potential in the traditional laptop form factor, and give some reason to wonder if, despite all the hype about tablets, phablets, and smart phones, consumers still find themselves reaching for a portable device with a great keyboard.
Reply 14 comments

Really? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-24 11:34 (#2TP0)

This comment submitted from a Chromebook running linux.

Keyboards & other thoughts. (Score: 2, Interesting)

by kerrany@pipedot.org on 2014-10-24 14:40 (#2TP2)

Programmer here: I wouldn't call laptop keyboards "great". Ever. Anybody ever found one that isn't terrible for programming?

Other thought: maybe people are getting Chromebooks for the hardware and installing other stuff on them.

Also, apparently Chromebooks are pretty full-featured. That last feature the article mentions almost makes me want one... and the price is killer.

The keyboard is still a sticking point for me, though. I don't think I'd be able to get much done without a separate keyboard and mouse... which sort of defeats the portability of the whole "laptop" form factor thing. Anyone seen anything that's not too painful to use? And maybe a mouse that's not a touchpad?

Re: Keyboards & other thoughts. (Score: 2, Informative)

by zafiro17@pipedot.org on 2014-10-24 15:04 (#2TP5)

I'm a non-programmer, but I hear you on the keyboard issue and you're right - laptop keyboards are a recipe for RSI problems. My HP Chromebook 14 has chiclet keys - easily the worst keyboard style ever. It's better than my HP laptop at work though, which is a very similar build but with slippery, flat, smooth keys. It's like, does anyone at HP actually use these machines to see if they're nice to use?

If you want to plug in peripherals and don't care about portability, there are Chromebox desktops too - I think Acer make them and I recall Bryan saying he had bought one. They look cool to me.

I bought my Chromebook to run Bodhilinux on, since my netbook gave up the ghost (sniff, sniff, loved that machine). But ChromeOS is working basically well enough that I've never gotten around to it. Maybe I should give it a try this weekend - doesn't seem that hard, and the hardware itself is pretty darned good.

Re: Keyboards & other thoughts. (Score: 2, Informative)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2014-10-24 16:33 (#2TP6)

I really doubt most users are installing windows or a more traditional linux distro. School districts near me are buying them. Cheap, easy to manage internet portals with google docs.

Re: Keyboards & other thoughts. (Score: 1)

by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-10-25 04:38 (#2TPN)

I wouldn't call laptop keyboards "great". Ever. Anybody ever found one that isn't terrible for programming?
The keyboard I prefer to use on my desktop is smaller than many laptop keyboards:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036WTWX0/89-Key-Mini-Keyboard

Only thing I really regret is that it only has one CTRL key, but altwin:ctrl_win takes care of that under X11 just fine.

But it would be necessary for the wrist-wrest to be 0.5" lower than the keyboard, which I haven't seen any laptop ever do. That might make the difference between comfortable easy typing, and horrible laptop keyboards...

I also prefer a trackball for faster pointing, which is a similarly good fit for laptops, though sadly haven't seen them on portables since the 486 days. Their pointless and unnecessary demise makes it clear that whatever laptop manufacturers are looking for, it isn't good input devices.

Re: Keyboards & other thoughts. (Score: 2, Funny)

by skarjak@pipedot.org on 2014-10-25 14:53 (#2TQ3)

I'm not sure about the technical feasibility of this, but someone really needs to find a way to make a laptop with a mechanical keyboard.

Once you go cherryMX, you never go back...MX.

By Any Other Name Would Smell As Sweet (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-24 22:11 (#2TPE)

People want netbooks, they CRAVE netbooks. A compact, very cheap PC with adequate performance and a real keyboard

And yet manufacturers are too stupid yo give it to them, all because MS licensing crippled the format.

Thus we have giant phones and tablets with accessories and Google controlled "chromebooks" all desperately reaching to satisfy a market need that's been there all along. It's sad. One can't get a tablet or phone with a real keyboard, except maybe those overpriced or crippled MS things.

I don't get it. The entire market is being handed to Google.

Re: By Any Other Name Would Smell As Sweet (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-24 22:13 (#2TPF)

Case in point. Those silly autocorrect typos don't happen when I have a real KB available.

Re: By Any Other Name Would Smell As Sweet (Score: 1)

by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-10-25 04:52 (#2TPP)

And yet manufacturers are too stupid yo give it to them
As slim as the margins were, and as high as the return rate was, I'm not so sure it's stupid at all. If they have to price them so they only just barely turn a profit on the line, then it's not worth it for them to make the products you want.
One can't get a tablet or phone with a real keyboard, except maybe those overpriced or crippled MS things.
Most Blackberry phones still have real keyboards, and now they can run Android apps, too. I admit, looking for Android slider phones is depressing and unrewarding.

But I suppose keeping my old phone is for the best, as Google just keeps making it harder and harder to make a phone call on Android. Several additional unintuitive steps needed to add a recent number to the contact list, much more difficult to switch between recent calls, the dialer, and your contacts, and absolutely NO WAY to EDIT your contacts from the dialer... You can create one there, but if you make a mistake, you must switch to a different program entirely. This is a complete regression. [/rant]
I don't get it. The entire market is being handed to Google.
Actually, at least Acer's Chromebooks are just older models of cheap Windows laptops they previously sold. Maybe the Windows tax makes a huge difference in low-end hardware, or maybe Google's mega advertising for a tiny number of products gets them exposure they wouldn't have as low-end Windows laptops.

Re: By Any Other Name Would Smell As Sweet (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-25 05:41 (#2TPR)

Your first paragraph theorizes maybe the market wasn't there, and your last paragraph says maybe Google created a forced market through massive advertising.

I don't think either of those (oversimplified) things is close to true. Google hardly advertises, for one thing.

Again, I say the market was always there but companies abandoned it due to collusion between Intel and MS. Atom chips, really? Can't run cheaper Windows on a screen larger than 10", really??.

Re: By Any Other Name Would Smell As Sweet (Score: 1)

by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-10-25 16:27 (#2TQ5)

1) You're completely wrong about what I was saying.
2) It's not just a theory, it's based on plenty of evidence:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/dec/31/netbooks-dead-2013

Re: By Any Other Name Would Smell As Sweet (Score: -1, Flamebait)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-25 18:37 (#2TQ7)

Your link merely confirms what I've been saying, that people desperately want netbooks at a netbook price point but that they were terminally crippled through artificial constraints by MS and Intel.

So, thanks?

Re: By Any Other Name Would Smell As Sweet (Score: 1)

by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-10-25 19:25 (#2TQ8)

You've got an incredible level of self-delusion going on to believe the article supports your claim.

Re: By Any Other Name Would Smell As Sweet (Score: -1, Flamebait)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-10-26 17:42 (#2TQH)

So you're saying the folks flocking to cheap high powered Chromebooks here on Pipedot and elsewhere.... don't exist. And that I'm the delusional one. 'Cause people really really don't want small affordable powerful notebooks. Okay, right....