The pope travels on commercial flights like the public

Pope Leo XIV has had quite the travel itinerary. Less than a year and a half into his papacy, he's already traveled across Africa, Europe and the Middle East. But unlike other heads of state, who have dedicated government aircraft, popes travel aboard specially chartered commercial airliners. Host Marco Werman speaks with Motoko Rich, The New York Times' Rome bureau chief, who's been racking up frequent flier miles along with the pope.