The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 2, Interesting) by mth@pipedot.org on 2015-02-01 05:06 (#2WVJ) The wine bottle with a plastic bladder sounds much like existing cardboard containers, except that it's a cillinder instead of a block. Maybe the shape helps break into the mid-price segment (the author who claims $15 wine is for "chugging" must live in a different world), but it's not a big step in my eyes.The beer bottle on the other hand, without the plastic bladder, is actually a step forward in terms of recycling: while cardboard and plastic can be recycled when separated, that is not possible or worthwhile when they are joined together, as far as I know. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 3, Interesting) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-01 06:44 (#2WVM) I was wondering which is more substanable, plastic coated cardboard or glass. How about an aluminium bladder in cardboard? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by reziac@pipedot.org on 2015-02-02 18:54 (#2WVZ) An article that contemplates this very issue:http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2011/03/disoriented_in_the_dairy_aisle.html Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:03 (#2WW7) Nice overview, but no answers. Thanks for the link. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 14:52 (#2WW9) Oh man, I would go out of my way to buy never frozen milk, if that should ever become common place. I don't know why, but when it unfreezes it doesn't look or taste the same. Seriously, I'd rather have powdered milk. Speaking of which, why not just powder all milk? Take the weight and volume of water out shipping, easy to contain. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 15:59 (#2WWA) Actually, I freeze milk all the time to give it several weeks of extra shelf-life, and it comes out tasting exactly the same as fresh. Only complaints I've heard are when people don't let it thaw entirely, and instead end up with a glass full of thick cream at the start, and basically just white-colored water later. I despise the taste of powdered milk... Thinner than skim milk, with a spoiled rotten milk flavor and smell that's impossible to eliminate. Even freeze-drying results in the same terrible product. And even worse, it's really not any cheaper than the real, fresh stuff, probably due to the energy cost of the dehydrating process. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 22:25 (#2WWE) I don't know, I can only speak from my experiences, and they've all been horrible with unfrozen milk and great with full fat powdered milk. With powdered milk, you have to make sure you get full fat powdered milk. Most of the stores in the US only sell skim powdered milk, which is terrible. Most of the time you need to go to a specialty ethnic store to get the full fat powder.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 3, Interesting) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-01 06:44 (#2WVM) I was wondering which is more substanable, plastic coated cardboard or glass. How about an aluminium bladder in cardboard? Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by reziac@pipedot.org on 2015-02-02 18:54 (#2WVZ) An article that contemplates this very issue:http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2011/03/disoriented_in_the_dairy_aisle.html Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:03 (#2WW7) Nice overview, but no answers. Thanks for the link. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 14:52 (#2WW9) Oh man, I would go out of my way to buy never frozen milk, if that should ever become common place. I don't know why, but when it unfreezes it doesn't look or taste the same. Seriously, I'd rather have powdered milk. Speaking of which, why not just powder all milk? Take the weight and volume of water out shipping, easy to contain. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 15:59 (#2WWA) Actually, I freeze milk all the time to give it several weeks of extra shelf-life, and it comes out tasting exactly the same as fresh. Only complaints I've heard are when people don't let it thaw entirely, and instead end up with a glass full of thick cream at the start, and basically just white-colored water later. I despise the taste of powdered milk... Thinner than skim milk, with a spoiled rotten milk flavor and smell that's impossible to eliminate. Even freeze-drying results in the same terrible product. And even worse, it's really not any cheaper than the real, fresh stuff, probably due to the energy cost of the dehydrating process. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 22:25 (#2WWE) I don't know, I can only speak from my experiences, and they've all been horrible with unfrozen milk and great with full fat powdered milk. With powdered milk, you have to make sure you get full fat powdered milk. Most of the stores in the US only sell skim powdered milk, which is terrible. Most of the time you need to go to a specialty ethnic store to get the full fat powder.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by reziac@pipedot.org on 2015-02-02 18:54 (#2WVZ) An article that contemplates this very issue:http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2011/03/disoriented_in_the_dairy_aisle.html Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:03 (#2WW7) Nice overview, but no answers. Thanks for the link. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 14:52 (#2WW9) Oh man, I would go out of my way to buy never frozen milk, if that should ever become common place. I don't know why, but when it unfreezes it doesn't look or taste the same. Seriously, I'd rather have powdered milk. Speaking of which, why not just powder all milk? Take the weight and volume of water out shipping, easy to contain. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 15:59 (#2WWA) Actually, I freeze milk all the time to give it several weeks of extra shelf-life, and it comes out tasting exactly the same as fresh. Only complaints I've heard are when people don't let it thaw entirely, and instead end up with a glass full of thick cream at the start, and basically just white-colored water later. I despise the taste of powdered milk... Thinner than skim milk, with a spoiled rotten milk flavor and smell that's impossible to eliminate. Even freeze-drying results in the same terrible product. And even worse, it's really not any cheaper than the real, fresh stuff, probably due to the energy cost of the dehydrating process. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 22:25 (#2WWE) I don't know, I can only speak from my experiences, and they've all been horrible with unfrozen milk and great with full fat powdered milk. With powdered milk, you have to make sure you get full fat powdered milk. Most of the stores in the US only sell skim powdered milk, which is terrible. Most of the time you need to go to a specialty ethnic store to get the full fat powder.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by hyper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:03 (#2WW7) Nice overview, but no answers. Thanks for the link. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 14:52 (#2WW9) Oh man, I would go out of my way to buy never frozen milk, if that should ever become common place. I don't know why, but when it unfreezes it doesn't look or taste the same. Seriously, I'd rather have powdered milk. Speaking of which, why not just powder all milk? Take the weight and volume of water out shipping, easy to contain. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 15:59 (#2WWA) Actually, I freeze milk all the time to give it several weeks of extra shelf-life, and it comes out tasting exactly the same as fresh. Only complaints I've heard are when people don't let it thaw entirely, and instead end up with a glass full of thick cream at the start, and basically just white-colored water later. I despise the taste of powdered milk... Thinner than skim milk, with a spoiled rotten milk flavor and smell that's impossible to eliminate. Even freeze-drying results in the same terrible product. And even worse, it's really not any cheaper than the real, fresh stuff, probably due to the energy cost of the dehydrating process. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 22:25 (#2WWE) I don't know, I can only speak from my experiences, and they've all been horrible with unfrozen milk and great with full fat powdered milk. With powdered milk, you have to make sure you get full fat powdered milk. Most of the stores in the US only sell skim powdered milk, which is terrible. Most of the time you need to go to a specialty ethnic store to get the full fat powder.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 12:47 (#2WW8) Nice overview, but no answers.Actually, it answers the question:disposable plastic pouches > refillable plastic jugs > refillable glass > disposable plastic jugs > disposable paper cartons > disposable glassI admit, "aluminum" is missing from the list, but it would likely fall second to last.I only wonder why they don't freeze milk solid for shipping, so it can be stacked in its flimsy plastic jugs without requiring the added weight and support of milk crates. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 14:52 (#2WW9) Oh man, I would go out of my way to buy never frozen milk, if that should ever become common place. I don't know why, but when it unfreezes it doesn't look or taste the same. Seriously, I'd rather have powdered milk. Speaking of which, why not just powder all milk? Take the weight and volume of water out shipping, easy to contain. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 15:59 (#2WWA) Actually, I freeze milk all the time to give it several weeks of extra shelf-life, and it comes out tasting exactly the same as fresh. Only complaints I've heard are when people don't let it thaw entirely, and instead end up with a glass full of thick cream at the start, and basically just white-colored water later. I despise the taste of powdered milk... Thinner than skim milk, with a spoiled rotten milk flavor and smell that's impossible to eliminate. Even freeze-drying results in the same terrible product. And even worse, it's really not any cheaper than the real, fresh stuff, probably due to the energy cost of the dehydrating process. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 22:25 (#2WWE) I don't know, I can only speak from my experiences, and they've all been horrible with unfrozen milk and great with full fat powdered milk. With powdered milk, you have to make sure you get full fat powdered milk. Most of the stores in the US only sell skim powdered milk, which is terrible. Most of the time you need to go to a specialty ethnic store to get the full fat powder.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 14:52 (#2WW9) Oh man, I would go out of my way to buy never frozen milk, if that should ever become common place. I don't know why, but when it unfreezes it doesn't look or taste the same. Seriously, I'd rather have powdered milk. Speaking of which, why not just powder all milk? Take the weight and volume of water out shipping, easy to contain. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 15:59 (#2WWA) Actually, I freeze milk all the time to give it several weeks of extra shelf-life, and it comes out tasting exactly the same as fresh. Only complaints I've heard are when people don't let it thaw entirely, and instead end up with a glass full of thick cream at the start, and basically just white-colored water later. I despise the taste of powdered milk... Thinner than skim milk, with a spoiled rotten milk flavor and smell that's impossible to eliminate. Even freeze-drying results in the same terrible product. And even worse, it's really not any cheaper than the real, fresh stuff, probably due to the energy cost of the dehydrating process. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 22:25 (#2WWE) I don't know, I can only speak from my experiences, and they've all been horrible with unfrozen milk and great with full fat powdered milk. With powdered milk, you have to make sure you get full fat powdered milk. Most of the stores in the US only sell skim powdered milk, which is terrible. Most of the time you need to go to a specialty ethnic store to get the full fat powder.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 15:59 (#2WWA) Actually, I freeze milk all the time to give it several weeks of extra shelf-life, and it comes out tasting exactly the same as fresh. Only complaints I've heard are when people don't let it thaw entirely, and instead end up with a glass full of thick cream at the start, and basically just white-colored water later. I despise the taste of powdered milk... Thinner than skim milk, with a spoiled rotten milk flavor and smell that's impossible to eliminate. Even freeze-drying results in the same terrible product. And even worse, it's really not any cheaper than the real, fresh stuff, probably due to the energy cost of the dehydrating process. Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 22:25 (#2WWE) I don't know, I can only speak from my experiences, and they've all been horrible with unfrozen milk and great with full fat powdered milk. With powdered milk, you have to make sure you get full fat powdered milk. Most of the stores in the US only sell skim powdered milk, which is terrible. Most of the time you need to go to a specialty ethnic store to get the full fat powder.
Re: The beer bottle sounds more interesting (Score: 1) by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-02-03 22:25 (#2WWE) I don't know, I can only speak from my experiences, and they've all been horrible with unfrozen milk and great with full fat powdered milk. With powdered milk, you have to make sure you get full fat powdered milk. Most of the stores in the US only sell skim powdered milk, which is terrible. Most of the time you need to go to a specialty ethnic store to get the full fat powder.