Re: what??? - Pipedot

what??? (Score: 2, Interesting)

by odm@pipedot.org on 2014-03-25 13:17 (#T6)

I guess most of us here are the sort to require hard, empirical evidence of things before we believe them, but this is one of those cases where for whatever reason it's best to follow anecdotal evidence. Just ask vapers. I smoked heavily for over a decade. I tried vaping once, and immediately realised that I could give up cigarettes. I haven't smoked a cigarette in 6 months. What's more, because the hit is different from traditional cigs, I can go a whole day without vaping and not feel an overwhelming desire to punch anyone. I could quit entirely, but I enjoy it and it's the only break from work I get during the day. It's the same story with everyone I know who's tried proper vaping (not the cigarette lookalikes). I have no idea how the researchers can come up with this conclusion.

Re: what??? (Score: 3, Interesting)

by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-03-25 13:43 (#T8)

anecdotal evidence

My mom still smokes even though she's also a vapor. That sounds really weird reading it back.

Anyway, she vaps when she's in a place that doesn't allow smoking. I don't know why or what makes her think, "Hey, no smoking here, well vaping will be perfectly ok then.", but that's what she does.

Fist time she pulled out her e-cig in my house I asked her to smoke outside and she gave me the "it's healthier" spiel, but couldn't cite any studies and, with a quick Google, I couldn't find anything compelling one way or the other, so I asked her again to do it outside. I have a two year old and a responsibility to do what I can for her health and safety. Yeah, yeah, "think of the children" and all that crap, but I'm not going to tell anyone they can't vap, just do it in a well ventilated area, preferably outside and not in my face. I finally managed to quit smoking something like eight years ago, I don't need any incentive to pick it back up or anything else that's going to cost me money I might as well be throwing in a fire place.

I'm really not looking forward to the day when I walk in to a Tim Hortons and smokers have realized "no smoking" doesn't mean "no vaping" and there's going to be fifty people sitting around blowing who knows what into the air. We all share the air weather we want to or not, don't make your habit someone elses'.

"Now we know", "And knowing is half the battle". -G.I. Joooooe. (totally making that my sig now)

Re: what??? (Score: 1, Interesting)

by odm@pipedot.org on 2014-03-25 16:05 (#TC)

err, my comment was about using them as a tool to quit smoking. I really don't need to hear about how insensitive your mum is for the nth time. most smokers - like most people in general - are decent, tolerant human beings. what the long term health effects of vaping is no-one knows, but are they an effective smoking cessation aid? yes, without a shadow of a doubt. your mum is the exception to the rule, and I get the feeling she's the only smoker you know

Re: what??? (Score: 4, Insightful)

by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-03-25 16:26 (#TF)

You presented "anecdotal evidence", which you acknowledged as "anecdotal evidence", that vaping helped you quit and claimed you didn't understand how a study could find the opposite "I have no idea how the researchers can come up with this conclusion."

I presented "anecdotal evidence", as a way to encourage discussion, showing that vaping and smoking aren't mutually exclusive and in fact people can do both, thus supporting the study findings. In doing so I've forced you to read the same/similar thing more than once and challenged your myopic view. I apologize for being offensive.

Also mom isn't the only smoker I know, but she's the only vaper I know. I'm sure I shouldn't reiterate that vaping isn't a big thing here in Canada yet, at least not in my part of the country.

Re: what??? (Score: 0)

by odm@pipedot.org on 2014-03-25 17:14 (#TH)

Oh lord. Thanks for reminding me why I don't participate in online discussion forums

Re: what??? (Score: 2, Insightful)

by vanderhoth@pipedot.org on 2014-03-25 17:34 (#TJ)

I think you had good input, and I enjoyed reading your contribution. I was just trying to present an alternative view to the conclusion using the same reasoning.

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