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Reddit user found vunerability in google play permission hiding change (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in Google Play hides app permission changes in automatic updates on 2014-08-10 13:24 (#2SF)
Reddit user iamtubbeman initially discovered that these groups combine low-level permissions with higher permissions that could be used for more nefarious purposes. For example, an app that can receive an SMS could silently be updated to also send SMS, costing the user money. Likewise, an app that previously used Wi-Fi to find a user's general location, could acquire GPS access to see the user's precise location.
Useful (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in PirateBox 1.0 Released on 2014-08-10 02:48 (#2SE)
This would be good for when travelling, camping, concerts. Kudos to the PirateBox crew!
Metadata snooping (Score: 1)
by Anonymous Coward in Metadata war escalates with Bittorrent Bleep for secure phone calls and texts on 2014-08-10 02:44 (#2SD)
How long, I wonder, before a law is passed to make hiding of metadata illegal.Meanwhile, TOR is a good start.Perhaps this network could use TOR for session initiation
There is more (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in Australia's Biggest Public Service Department to be Privatized on 2014-08-08 13:56 (#2SC)
Further to this story, DHS employees only found out about this happening when it was reported in the local paper. The DHS is currently bargaining for renewal of the employee enterprise agreement for which has stalled.
OS support? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in USB vector for computer viruses on 2014-08-08 13:37 (#2SB)
I understand a USB device can pretend to be many different devices, but OSes have to support those features. I don't think a USB device can just say its a network jack and hijack my existing routing that I've set up ( on a SE Linux system). I'm just going to have to assume that some of those tactics are os dependent.
I never knew that (Score: 1)
by alioth@pipedot.org in XBMC is being renamed to Kodi on 2014-08-08 13:16 (#2SA)
I never knew the X was to do with the Xbox, I first heard of XBMC when people started using it on the Raspberry Pi, and naturally I thought the X meant X11 like many other unix-based graphical things.
Re: What is next... (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in AMD to enter SSD market on 2014-08-08 13:13 (#2S9)
Mediocre is right but it's certainly not a new practice. Clevo make a ton of laptop cases which they sell to smaller 'custom' laptop companies. They're largely the same save for branding and specs (though when you're using the same boards how much changes?). It's amazing, really. Alienware Area 51-M is the same as the Sager 5660. Sager rebrands clevo, Dell rebrands Sager.
Re: What is next... (Score: 1)
by nightsky30@pipedot.org in AMD to enter SSD market on 2014-08-08 11:11 (#2S8)
I didn't know about the RAM. Relying on others to supply parts while not bringing anything new up to the plate sounds like a mediocre-bad idea.
Re: Tragic NIH Syndrome (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in Apple shifts from Objective C to Swift on 2014-08-08 11:00 (#2S7)
Well, actually Apple and Google interests are different. Google usually releases more open-source
and did Android with more vendors, to get market share. If they were in the position of Apple,
they would probably do the same, who knows.
and did Android with more vendors, to get market share. If they were in the position of Apple,
they would probably do the same, who knows.
Re: What is next... (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in AMD to enter SSD market on 2014-08-08 10:52 (#2S6)
Which is totally dependent on outside partners to build. If Toshiba winds up getting a great deal to supply someone like Apple with flash, guess who gets squeezed out? I might buy one or two for home use, but I'm not sure I'd go beyond that because of concerns over supply.
What is next... (Score: 2, Interesting)
by axsdenied@pipedot.org in AMD to enter SSD market on 2014-08-08 07:16 (#2S5)
So far they have CPU, GPU, RAM and now HD as well. Next is probably AMD motherboard and then we can have a complete AMD computer...
Thanks for the tip (Score: 1)
by scotch@pipedot.org in Friday Distro: Alpine Linux on 2014-08-07 20:58 (#2S4)
I am in the process of building my own "cloud". I was going debian only with CEPH, openvswitch, qemu-kvm and linux-vserver (I know I should switch to LXC). But I will give a try to alpine thanks to your post!
not realy interesting comment... (Score: 1)
by scotch@pipedot.org in Soylent News Incorporates on 2014-08-07 20:53 (#2S3)
I finally did register to show my commitement...
Previous of that I was a lurker from the early stages and I tried to follow SN also but I could not stand "the noise" over there...
PS: I'm not english speaker...
Previous of that I was a lurker from the early stages and I tried to follow SN also but I could not stand "the noise" over there...
PS: I'm not english speaker...
It has to be said (Score: 2, Funny)
by fishybell@pipedot.org in DARPA awards $40 million for research into memory-controlling implants on 2014-08-07 16:28 (#2S2)
I know kung fu.
Awesome news (Score: 2, Funny)
by zafiro17@pipedot.org in Qt project to spin off as a separate company on 2014-08-07 02:19 (#2S1)
This is great. The damage of qt getting bought by Nokia is finally being rectified and the greatest threat of qt languishing while Nokia flounders is being mitigated.
PS - suck it, gtk3 :)
PS - suck it, gtk3 :)
How much does this actually apply in the real world? (Score: 1)
by kerrany@pipedot.org in Fault Overrides Emotion-Driven Punishment on 2014-08-06 19:33 (#2S0)
As in, during the sentencing phase of a trial, do prosecutors reiterate the crime in the most gruesome possible way they can, trying to influence the jury to react with horror to something they already know the most intimate details of? If so, does it work? Or is this more applicable to the first time the subject hears the story?
I'd like to see followup. This is interesting stuff.
...And then I realize the story was posted two days ago. Oh well, can't hurt to ask.
I'd like to see followup. This is interesting stuff.
...And then I realize the story was posted two days ago. Oh well, can't hurt to ask.
I always wanted to study human cognition (Score: 1)
by rocks@pipedot.org in DARPA awards $40 million for research into memory-controlling implants on 2014-08-06 15:57 (#2RZ)
I'm trained in other fields (geoscience, computer science), but cognitive science is fascinating. To think we can "reprogram" or "newly program" memories in human beings is startling and just goes to show how ambitious modern science and technology is getting. I realize such technologies can be turned to beneficial or nefarious purposes, but what stands out to me is just how fast our quantitative studies of the human brain are progressing and how many different applications we are investigating now. Programmable memories? Wow!
Moral for the work environment (Score: 3, Insightful)
by hyper@pipedot.org in Fault Overrides Emotion-Driven Punishment on 2014-08-06 09:21 (#2RY)
When describing the sins of your coworker to the PHB describe from the painful money draining outage causing perspective.
One contracter screwed up royally then told management that the whole thing can be fixed by doing it properly. After it was screwed up. The line repeated was "don't you agree that doing this is the right solution". The answer is not "yes". The answer is "Yes, I will do that to prevent you from screwing this up again. You are fired. Game over. Bad. Very bad. Leave. Now."
One contracter screwed up royally then told management that the whole thing can be fixed by doing it properly. After it was screwed up. The line repeated was "don't you agree that doing this is the right solution". The answer is not "yes". The answer is "Yes, I will do that to prevent you from screwing this up again. You are fired. Game over. Bad. Very bad. Leave. Now."
grsecurity (Score: 2, Informative)
by bryan@pipedot.org in Canadian Developers Are Making the Next Tails Privacy Software on 2014-08-04 20:45 (#2RX)
Interesting that they are using the grsecurity LSM.
Re: Now what? (Score: 1)
by nightsky30@pipedot.org in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-04 11:43 (#2RW)
Well, time to fork again! MS Office can keep their ribbon of crapulence.
Re: Just Great (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in XBMC is being renamed to Kodi on 2014-08-03 05:40 (#2RV)
I know, and that's exactly what I'm talking about -- the name change.
"Media" means everything. "Entertainment" means a small subset of disposable bullshit. They've painted themselves into a ghetto of irrelevance.
If everything you do with your computer and television is "entertainment", good for you. Some of us want to use them for lots more than that. Of course the product hasn't changed much, yet; that's hardly the point of the subject. And what you call your project is how you think of your project which is what that project will become.
It's like purposely calling one of your children "the dumb one".
"Media" means everything. "Entertainment" means a small subset of disposable bullshit. They've painted themselves into a ghetto of irrelevance.
If everything you do with your computer and television is "entertainment", good for you. Some of us want to use them for lots more than that. Of course the product hasn't changed much, yet; that's hardly the point of the subject. And what you call your project is how you think of your project which is what that project will become.
It's like purposely calling one of your children "the dumb one".
Re: Just Great (Score: 2, Insightful)
by axsdenied@pipedot.org in XBMC is being renamed to Kodi on 2014-08-03 02:06 (#2RT)
It is just a name change. Your post sounds like they are removing features which they are not.Also entertainment centre is more fitting than media centre. I doubt many people are using XBMC to read textbooks or news for example. I don't mean news ticker but properly sitting in front of your TV and reading news on it. There are much better ways for doing that.
The logo isn't final (Score: 1)
by venkman@pipedot.org in XBMC is being renamed to Kodi on 2014-08-02 17:07 (#2RS)
The announcement says it's not the final logo. That is a crappy name though.
Re: Just Great (Score: 1)
by skarjak@pipedot.org in XBMC is being renamed to Kodi on 2014-08-02 03:27 (#2RR)
Microsoft's infatuation with the Kinect was an unfortunate time. By that point in the console generation, they seemed to think they had won over Sony and that the "core gamer" audience would be loyal to them no matter what. As you say, they were really chasing the Wii crowd with that thing. I'd say those kinect ads may also have been targeted at fathers who owned the system and may want something that would allow them to play with their kids.
Most of the Xbox's collection of games is composed of first and third person shooters, action games and sports games, with a significant fraction of those shooters having an M rating. Not to say their games are very mature, they have that tendency that many game companies have of thinking gory = mature, but I'd say it's fair to say most parents wouldn't want a kid under 10 to be playing too many Xbox games.
Microsoft's consoles have a reputation of being "bro" consoles, if anything. The violence is a big part of the appeal for that demographic.
I assumed you were someone speaking out of their ass about gaming being a children's hobby (as I've seen happen many times) so I apologize if I was too harsh.
Most of the Xbox's collection of games is composed of first and third person shooters, action games and sports games, with a significant fraction of those shooters having an M rating. Not to say their games are very mature, they have that tendency that many game companies have of thinking gory = mature, but I'd say it's fair to say most parents wouldn't want a kid under 10 to be playing too many Xbox games.
Microsoft's consoles have a reputation of being "bro" consoles, if anything. The violence is a big part of the appeal for that demographic.
I assumed you were someone speaking out of their ass about gaming being a children's hobby (as I've seen happen many times) so I apologize if I was too harsh.
Re: Simple (Score: 1)
by pslytelypsycho@pipedot.org in Monday poll: what's your next purchase? on 2014-08-02 02:34 (#2RQ)
Well, I'm getting one of these: http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/EB00/121G.oap?keyword=121g
since I can't afford one of these: http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/EB00/121GMF.oap?keyword=121gmf
So, I was wondering if you have any spare Plutonium lying around? The Libyans of late have been quite unreliable....
since I can't afford one of these: http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/EB00/121GMF.oap?keyword=121gmf
So, I was wondering if you have any spare Plutonium lying around? The Libyans of late have been quite unreliable....
Re: Just Great (Score: 2, Insightful)
by bryan@pipedot.org in XBMC is being renamed to Kodi on 2014-08-01 22:36 (#2RP)
Sorry... As a 33 year old addicted to a few computer-based video games myself (Starcraft, Warcraft, SimCity, etc), I did not realize that those "older-age-gamer" stats extended to some console systems as well.
I personally have never owned an Xbox, or know anyone that has, so my only impression of them come from some of the TV advertisements that I have seen such as this one that depicts a number of families playing the games. In these official ads by Microsoft, aside from a few parents, the average age appears to be somewhere in the 10-12 range. Perhaps these family friendly ads full of youngsters where mainly a stab at Nintendo's Wii successes and not at the general population of actual users of the console. Forgive my unfair generalizations.
I personally have never owned an Xbox, or know anyone that has, so my only impression of them come from some of the TV advertisements that I have seen such as this one that depicts a number of families playing the games. In these official ads by Microsoft, aside from a few parents, the average age appears to be somewhere in the 10-12 range. Perhaps these family friendly ads full of youngsters where mainly a stab at Nintendo's Wii successes and not at the general population of actual users of the console. Forgive my unfair generalizations.
Re: Just Great (Score: 1, Insightful)
by Anonymous Coward in XBMC is being renamed to Kodi on 2014-08-01 21:41 (#2RM)
Uh, going from Media Center to Entertainment Center isn't an expansion. It's a contraction, and a severe one. Media hold a LOT more than entertainment vehicles, from textbooks to video courses to histories to family archives to god damn NEWS.
They are making the project a lot less valuable, flexible, and appealing all around. Not the end of the world, but an unnecessary dumb move. Not that I liked the old name either. :)
They are making the project a lot less valuable, flexible, and appealing all around. Not the end of the world, but an unnecessary dumb move. Not that I liked the old name either. :)
Re: Just Great (Score: 2, Interesting)
by skarjak@pipedot.org in XBMC is being renamed to Kodi on 2014-08-01 21:23 (#2RK)
I am puzzled by that comment. You do realize the average owner of an Xbox is older than 30... right? Or do you still think gaming is something kids do with their friends in the basement?
Read this: www.theesa.com/facts/
The "little kids" part of your comment is particularly off-base. Most of their marketing is targeting young adults or people in their thirties. Not surprising considering the kind of games they offer.
Read this: www.theesa.com/facts/
The "little kids" part of your comment is particularly off-base. Most of their marketing is targeting young adults or people in their thirties. Not surprising considering the kind of games they offer.
Re: Just Great (Score: 2, Insightful)
by bryan@pipedot.org in XBMC is being renamed to Kodi on 2014-08-01 20:11 (#2RJ)
It looks like something targeted to little kids.And "Xbox" isn't targeted towards little kids?
Re: Just Great (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in XBMC is being renamed to Kodi on 2014-08-01 20:02 (#2RH)
In TFA there is a bit more. They want to expand it from "Media Center" to "Entertainment Center", and seems they thought "while we're making changes, let's dump the Xbox part too". While the new name isn't as catchy, at least it is less awkward to say.
The real problem is that logo. It looks like something targeted to little kids. "We arent quite there yet" is very generous.
The real problem is that logo. It looks like something targeted to little kids. "We arent quite there yet" is very generous.
Re: Now what? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-01 19:35 (#2RG)
The lack of ribbon, PDF writer, and ability to leave your paste buffer the hell alone are the killer features of LibreOffice.
Just Great (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in XBMC is being renamed to Kodi on 2014-08-01 19:32 (#2RF)
Throw away your years of branding and reputation. That's what open source needs, more confusing nonsensical unneeded rebranding to another nonsense word. How many of these projects must we chase down every time we revisit them in a couple of years? Usually there's at least a valid legal reason, but this?
And without RTFA I don't believe that second paragraph. XBMC isn't tied to the Xbox name just because it originated that way. Has MS even hinted at a problem?
Case in point; I'm writing this and have already forgotten the awkward meaningless new project name. :(
And without RTFA I don't believe that second paragraph. XBMC isn't tied to the Xbox name just because it originated that way. Has MS even hinted at a problem?
Case in point; I'm writing this and have already forgotten the awkward meaningless new project name. :(
Re: No LibreOffice Online? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-01 19:24 (#2RE)
And/or he was simply correcting me because I didn't follow TFLink and the article was talking about the Rollapp service to begin with? :)
Ah well, points about MIA LibreOffice Online stand.
Ah well, points about MIA LibreOffice Online stand.
Re: Companionship (Score: 1, Insightful)
by Anonymous Coward in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-01 19:02 (#2RD)
Well yeah, it would help if the registered lurkers weren't so quick to downvote a post just because they disagree with it. A single chip-shouldered voter makes us ACs "-1" and logged in users don't see the comment by default, or so I gather. Too much power really. And I've yet to see a worthless troll AC on this site. The jerks seem to have accounts. ;)
Re: No LibreOffice Online? (Score: 1, Interesting)
by Anonymous Coward in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-01 18:56 (#2RC)
No no. I'm not talking about the commercial paid/ad-supported remote desktop service version!
I'm talking about "LibreOffice Online", which has been in development as PART of LibreOffice for years now, since v.3.5. You just install it in your own server (regular old desktop LO) and it has its own web server that let's you use the apps via a browser. No 3rd party required at all! And yet they've let this killer feature just fester, even to the point that a knowledgeable commenter assumes I'm talking about something else. It's tragic.
I'm talking about "LibreOffice Online", which has been in development as PART of LibreOffice for years now, since v.3.5. You just install it in your own server (regular old desktop LO) and it has its own web server that let's you use the apps via a browser. No 3rd party required at all! And yet they've let this killer feature just fester, even to the point that a knowledgeable commenter assumes I'm talking about something else. It's tragic.
Re: Companionship (Score: 3, Interesting)
by zafiro17@pipedot.org in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-01 18:40 (#2RB)
It's way bigger than that. Sun managed the code in a way that made it hard to contribute. LO is not just a forked code base but a management process that facilitates contributions and improvements. OO.o doesn't share those advantages and will soon fall behind.
Re: No LibreOffice Online? (Score: 1)
by zafiro17@pipedot.org in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-01 18:35 (#2RA)
Thanks for that explanation. I never knew the difference, or that there even IS a difference. 'Cloud' is a marketing word and means nothing.
Re: Companionship (Score: 1)
by zafiro17@pipedot.org in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-01 16:08 (#2R9)
I once had this happen too. Turns out the other comment wasn't deleted but I needed to adjust the threshold slider down to -1 to see it again.
Re: Companionship (Score: 1)
by skarjak@pipedot.org in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-01 14:10 (#2R8)
Alright, feature request time: it would be nice if you could tell when a post was replying to a deleted comment. The indentation makes it look like I'm raging at the above guy for no reason. :p
Re: No LibreOffice Online? (Score: 2, Insightful)
by Anonymous Coward in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-01 10:48 (#2R7)
My interpretation is that they've got round to releasing 4.2 to the cloud service, but 4.3 is coming.
rollApp (the cloud platform they're using) itself is in beta, so they're probably feeling the water with a version that's been out a while, so that they can tell if any bugs are cloud-related.
Btw, the difference between a web-app and SaaS, is that a web-app is written for a browser (usually in Javascript or PHP), whereas SaaS is written for a traditional platform (in C++ or whatever), then virtualized, and accessed by clients through a VNC-like web interface. The web-app in this context is the thing that is rendering the virtualized display buffer to the browser, the SaaS is the virtualized x86 code execution environment.
'Cloud' is an ill-defined buzzword that can mean anything internet/local-network based.
rollApp (the cloud platform they're using) itself is in beta, so they're probably feeling the water with a version that's been out a while, so that they can tell if any bugs are cloud-related.
Btw, the difference between a web-app and SaaS, is that a web-app is written for a browser (usually in Javascript or PHP), whereas SaaS is written for a traditional platform (in C++ or whatever), then virtualized, and accessed by clients through a VNC-like web interface. The web-app in this context is the thing that is rendering the virtualized display buffer to the browser, the SaaS is the virtualized x86 code execution environment.
'Cloud' is an ill-defined buzzword that can mean anything internet/local-network based.
I thought that was the... (Score: 1)
by unitron@pipedot.org in Monday poll: what's your next purchase? on 2014-08-01 09:00 (#2R6)
...Corporate Advertising Consortium Association?
Re: Now what? (Score: 1)
by axsdenied@pipedot.org in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-01 05:24 (#2R5)
You are possibly right. I can imagine that the main feature of the next version will be the ribbon to make it look like recent MS Office.
Re: Companionship (Score: 1)
by skarjak@pipedot.org in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-01 04:42 (#2R4)
You might want to lower the caffeine content of your coffee.
I was merely referring to the fact that initially, the LibreOffice team had reached out to the OpenOffice folks, to see if upgrades made to LibreOffice couldn't be integrated to OpenOffice. They refused and that's how LibreOffice became a fork.
I have been using LibreOffice for years as well so I can assure you that this is no FUD.
I was merely referring to the fact that initially, the LibreOffice team had reached out to the OpenOffice folks, to see if upgrades made to LibreOffice couldn't be integrated to OpenOffice. They refused and that's how LibreOffice became a fork.
I have been using LibreOffice for years as well so I can assure you that this is no FUD.
Re: Companionship (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-08-01 00:54 (#2R2)
"Want nothing to do with"? Baloney. They're not ALLOWED to use LibreOffice code anymore, because they changed to the Apache license (even though OO.org had been LGPL all along). It's "non-copyleft" now and can't use components from free software projects like LibreOffice.
I didn't know there was such a thing as OpenOffice FUD.
Even so, as a long time LibreOffice user I'm intrigued by the OO.org performance claims.
I didn't know there was such a thing as OpenOffice FUD.
Even so, as a long time LibreOffice user I'm intrigued by the OO.org performance claims.
Corel WordPerfect compatibility (Score: 1)
by rocks@pipedot.org in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-07-31 18:24 (#2R1)
Interestingly, I have a need to open older .wpd files designed in Corel WordPerfect and my latest MS Word no longer reads these files. So, I currently have LibreOffice on my office computer to read and convert the WordPerfect files as they come by... This, even though my work has converted completely to MS Office...
Re: Companionship (Score: 2, Interesting)
by carguy@pipedot.org in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-07-31 15:48 (#2R0)
One thing I noticed (in the last few months) is the Open Office download is a *lot* smaller than the Libre Office download. I've stuck with Open Office since I don't need a lot of the fancy features they seem to be adding to Libre? Note, this is just my quick impression--I have not done any detailed comparison.
Re: Xbox is next? (Score: 1)
by skarjak@pipedot.org in Nadella steering Microsoft back towards software for economic reasons on 2014-07-31 15:03 (#2QZ)
Sell what to Nintendo? The people? Not gonna happen. Nintendo has their own developpment culture which doesn't mesh so well with american studios. The licenses? Meh. The only IP Microsoft owns is of little interest to Nintendo, considering the market they're going after. I guess they could sell patents for the Kinect, that's the only thing Nintendo might want.
Re: Companionship (Score: 1)
by skarjak@pipedot.org in LibreOffice 4.3 gets good marks for useful improvements on 2014-07-31 15:00 (#2QY)
As far as I know, the OpenOffice people want nothing to do with LibreOffice.
Re: Xbox is next? (Score: 0)
by Anonymous Coward in Nadella steering Microsoft back towards software for economic reasons on 2014-07-31 13:55 (#2QX)
That looks like an agreement that Nintendo could kill the Xbox if given the opportunity
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I wonder how he feels,
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And he laid poor Jesse in his grave.
(chorus)
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He laid poor Jesse [Has laid Jesse James] in his grave.
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(chorus)
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