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An article that contemplates this very issue:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2011/03/disoriented_in_the_dairy_aisle.html

I think that lining is used to prevent the acidic beverage from eating through the aluminum can. Let a tooth or something else full of calcium soak in a glass of Coke or Pepsi for 24 hours, and note how much of it is left.

I was wondering which is more substanable, plastic coated cardboard or glass. How about an aluminium bladder in cardboard?

I'll bite. How on earth would you make an aluminum "bladder" that is both flexible and durable? If what you mean is aluminized LINING and not a bladder at all, I direct your attention to the fact that aluminum cans are internally coated with a plastic substance as it is. There has to be a good reason for that.

Who cares? They are going to put Busch Light or Miller in it anyway. Actually, the seeping flavor might get some Busch drinkers used to stronger flavor and help them graduate to real beer. This could in turn increase production and drop prices for me. I think everybody should support this move.

I only drink my beer out of a fedora!

But seriously, there is a taste change. I prefer draft over everything else, then bottle, then can. Screw cardboard milk carton

That's OK, we have weeks with only one or two new articles on the front page, making the site seem dead.

Keep this up, and you'll get your wish.

It's very much tech & privacy.

OK, let's summarize the tech:
Cameras exist
OCR exists
databases exist

Big whoop.

The article doesn't mention any technical details. Technical details are why I come here. Political BS is why I don't go to /.

Besides... the pipe is the place to vote on and discuss what should/shouldn't be here... Problem is, almost no submissions are coming in, which needs to change, first.

I don't think that's a problem. I would rather no articles than articles like this.

Also, will the coating affect the flavor of the beer? I know there is a definite difference in flavor between bottled (glass) beer and canned beer. If they want the current glass bottle consumer to buy into this new packaging they better do extensive testing to make sure the flavor profile is not changed. Beer snobs everywhere will not accept this if the beer taste changes.

Either way, it is their country so their rules are the go. I can't see American, English or Australian companies handing over source code and with it valuable IP. Won't happen. If they follow this path it is possible that the only companies left in China will be Chinese. Perhaps this is what they are aiming for.

Forgive me if I am missing something. But if they used an aluminum bladder in cardboard, why not just skip the cardboard, save trees, and stick with aluminum cans that we already have?

Also, what type of chemical is the cardboard treated with which makes it leak proof? Is the chemical detrimental to human health seeing as we will be ingesting some amount of it with the liquid?

It's very much tech & privacy. A network of automatic license plate scanners has been installed all across the US. The reasons why has political connotations, but can't be explained without mentioning them.

Besides... the pipe is the place to vote on and discuss what should/shouldn't be here... Problem is, almost no submissions are coming in, which needs to change, first.

I was wondering which is more substanable, plastic coated cardboard or glass. How about an aluminium bladder in cardboard?

This isn't about the tech, it's about the politics. If I wanted crappy political/social articles, I'd read /.

The wine bottle with a plastic bladder sounds much like existing cardboard containers, except that it's a cillinder instead of a block. Maybe the shape helps break into the mid-price segment (the author who claims $15 wine is for "chugging" must live in a different world), but it's not a big step in my eyes.

The beer bottle on the other hand, without the plastic bladder, is actually a step forward in terms of recycling: while cardboard and plastic can be recycled when separated, that is not possible or worthwhile when they are joined together, as far as I know.

Probably nothing in general, however I've seen more than once a casual user get frustrated about being in classic desktop mode, downloading a file, let's say a PDF, and when they open it the desktop goes away and they are put in the horrid Metro version of Adobe Reader. That casual user will have no clue how to change the default to open it in classic Adobe Reader or Foxit Reader or any other alternative. They will just blindly, grudgingly accept the loss of functionality they had in Windows XP or 7 with classic desktop (non-touch-"enhanced") apps. Or clicking a URL in another program like Reader or their mail program, and instead of launching Firefox or Chrome or even desktop IE, it launches Metro IE, doesn't render properly, and they have no clue how to go back.

I could go on and on, but these are real world examples I've seen that completely break workflow with the abrupt shift to full screen apps. On a tablet it's not so bad since desktop mode is the red-headed stepchild on such a device; however, on a full desktop or even non-touch laptop with traditional keyboard and mouse, it's anything from annoying to frustrating to "screw this bullshit" level, depending on the user.

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andhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgn6L0ebreI

German!

Oh, I understood you. I just wanted to make sure that I am not a fanboi, who defends everything Microsoft excretes. However, I just don't see the big difference between Windows 7 and 8. At least in 8.1 you don't have to see the touch part. For gamers... no difference at all. For people who just surf the net with whatever browser? No difference at all. For people, who use some office suite? No difference at all.

Tell me, which special use case can now be done much worse than on Windows 7? A use case, which is so common, that really a noticeable percentage of the Windows users are bitten by it?

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you are a Windows or Microsoft fan, it was obvious in your original comment that you aren't. I just meant that 8.1 on the desktop can be so bad that even fans of the older Windows releases will shun it. Personally, as I said I like it on touch devices but feel it's not good enough on the desktop. From what I've read, 10 will fix all the things I don't like about 8.1 and improve the OS across all devices that run it. I hope that's true, but I'll definitely be giving each preview release a hard look in VMs before I commit to permanently upgrading my 7 key to 10.

<blockquote>Ultimately though it's still an arms race, and the spammers will adapt...</blockquote>
<a href="http://xkcd.com/810/">We're on a mission</a>.

Not the AC, but I'd say because Windows 8.1 has a bad reputation for ease of use and is known to enrage some people (even Microsoft fans).

From my initial post you can clearly see that I am not really in Windows user. But for the few things I do with it, I don't see a difference between Windows 7 and 8. On Windows 8 I had to change some settings so that I don't boot into the tile crap. But this was a one time effort, and even I was able to do it. No I get immediately into the desktop. I have the explorer to browse the file system, and when I have installed a game, I have an icon on the desktop. No difference to Windows 7 or XP at all. Ok, the start menu looks different. But the only time I see it, is when I shutdown the machine.

I am certainly no Windows lover, on the contrary, when I am forced to use it, it always feels like I am wearing boxing gloves. But I don't understand the Windows 8 hatred.

No camera, no mic on my machine. And even if it was... how would they get the data, when I am never online?

This distro is backed by a Spanish company that appears to sell support. And also that is is based on ubuntu.

Very cool.

I find this overblown, "microsoft admits..." - it was freely available knowledge, for those who actually read the terms when signing up to a Developer Technical Feedback Program...this isn't a free copy of windows; there is an expectation that your use will help improve the product. and its indicated in bold too.

Considering their target is 'Experts and IT pros', there is an expected, basic responsibility that lies with the user that A) you understood what you signed up for, B) you wouldn't be stupid enough to do anything private/critical on software released only for testing - its fundamentally insecure.

Its also not clear, when or where keystrokes are logged. Maybe its not a 24/7 thing, but based on specific interaction (windows key combos, etc.) - I don't know. I saw no mention of attempts to view the data captured. Anyone have technical insight?

as i sit in a Best Western hotel writing this, i certainly can see marriotts point about security: i count atleast 5 hotspots named 'bestwestern' in various capitol-letter combinations, and one ominous 'bw' ssid, all unlocked...there is no way for the average person to know what is safe to connect to. That said, best western offers their wifi for free

Use it to your advantage. Start googling "how to install linux" and make them worry.

You're okay with them capturing audio and video and doing whatever they want with it? Ok, some people are that voyeuristic. I prefer a little privacy.

If they didn't outlaw the deauth attempts, the only reasonable recourse would have been for affected persons to return the favor to hotels that do this. Which would mean no wifi for anyone. If the hotel chains are smart, they won't challenge this. Better to make some money off of people without access, than to not be able to have a basic service available to anyone and sell nothing.

Not the AC, but I'd say because Windows 8.1 has a bad reputation for ease of use and is known to enrage some people (even Microsoft fans).

Personally, as long as it's on a touch device, I really like 8.1. I have an HP Stream 7 tablet with it and it works great. I tried it on a traditional PC with a keyboard and mouse and it was a different story; I'll stick to Windows 7 until Windows 10 is released, and possibly beyond. Not quite "throwing my computer out the window", but it is definitely a huge step backwards in traditional PC interface design.

As for the keylogging in Windows 10 Preview, I thought Microsoft disclosed that on day one? I know that when I downloaded the Preview for testing, I had to read a disclosure about what information they gather and how they use it. It was right there in the disclosure. I was fine with it because I had no intention of using it to access my bank account, or my real Windows Live ID, or any of my other online accounts, and it lives in a VM that I have complete control over. Anyone who would use their real credentials when testing out alpha level software, especially an OS, especially one that tells you upfront it's logging keystrokes, isn't really a smart cookie.

why?

A few weeks? Give it a couple more days. My bet is that your new pc will either be flying out of a window or formatted.

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Yep, from time to time I use Windows.... To start a game. Since I never play online, the first thing I do, is to disable the network in Windows. Thoroughly. No hassle with updates at inconvenient times. Malware? I don't care. Without network the worst thing that can happen is that a few game saves are destroyed. If I need to install something? I mount a partition under Linux and copy the setup or iso images on it. If I really need to be online to install something... Never happened before... I can enable network. In that case I might become part of a bot network... for 20-30 minutes? I could live with that. Personal data? Again only saves.

So I am not afraid of whatever ugly things can be found in Windows 10. On the other hand, I need a very compelling reason to change. With my use case I could still use XP without risk. The only reason I have Windows 8.1 is that I bought a new computer a few weeks ago. :-)

Backdoor. Why toss out useful code.

They are really trying hard to match the likes of Sony with bundled malware, aren't they? I refuse to use their stuff. Haven't run a Windows box at home in years, and only ran one on the job because it was required of me.

Do you think they'll take the keylogger out of the final release, just disable it by default, or just comment out the code? I'm betting the second option as a backdoor.

I wouldn't want to enter banking details etc on any machine with a key-logger whether supposedly innocuous or not. They say they'll share the data with selected partners... that makes it even worse, not only do they get it to call home with the data but then they broadcast it to all their mates.

I was considering throwing this on a machine for testing. Keystroke logging? Audio capture? Even for a Dev build NFW. Who seriously thinks any of this is a good idea? No. Just, no. Not even for OS feedback. Hire some Testers Microsoft.

As in will not fall off?

Or

As in will not stop working?

The former makes a lot of sense, and is quite obvious. The latter is an interesting claim. Is it really difficult to damage the etching's properties? Can I take a sharp knife to the finish over and over again without damaging the finish?

Also, is it oil proof? Most of what I cook has some of that too. IF its impervious to water souluble messes and sucks at oil, well thats better than nothing, but not worth much.

Did I see correctly that it has two black and two semi-transparent sides?

VyprVPN has mostly been blocked though apparently a few of their servers still work. Their blog post about it is unfortunately short on information: http://www.goldenfrog.com/blog/vyprvpn-server-issues-in-china

I wonder what the endgame is for the Great Firewall. The tech-savvy are only fine with it because of how easy it is to punch through with a small amount of technical knowledge, but those holes are being closed. Two years ago I could use an SSH tunnel through my home computer. Last year that was blocked but VPN worked reasonably well, as long as I bounced around to different servers. This year I'm going to have to try something else. If China makes it practically impossible to use the outside internet securely, how will foreign businesses react? What about local nerds? What about the average people that just want to access foreign websites like Youtube, and previously used a simple browser add-on passed around from friend to friend?

Can we have a similar poll covering what people are doing in response to SystemD?

Have people moved to Windows? FreeBSD? Something else? Are they not upgrading, or have we all accepted the inevitable and learned to love SystemD?

Runbox

Time to implement security protocols to hide encrypted streams in ordinary files to form adync vpn over http

If I travel to China, I'd like to maintain email contact with co-workers, friends and family. It's beginning to sound like the only easy way to do this is through a throwaway email account created for this one purpose. While in China this account should be accessed with a "throwaway" device -- one that doesn't have business/personal data.

Which providers can be reliably accessed in China? For example, it seems like Gmail is not a good choice... How about Hotmail or Yahoo email?

This is an interesting idea and I had a good laugh at the inpired name.

It's not mentioned whether this is catering to people who are in an area without an available bathroom... or who refuse to go to public bathrooms. Probably both.

If the former, this serves as a commentary on our weird capitalistic society that any business has the audacity to refuse bathroom use to non-patrons. To me, that's a business offering to play chicken with any person who is crazy enough to play a game of mutually assured destruction. If someone comes into your restaurant clutching themselves and tells you they really need to go to the bathroom and they're about 5 seconds from exploding chunks of diarrhea out of their asshole onto the floor, is it time for you to haggle with them over buying the cheapest fucking thing you offer? That $1.79 of soda? Is that the wager you put on the table? Because any person can counter wager with having you clean up shit off the floor.. of your eating establishment.

If the latter, this is sadly another commentary on our current hand sanitizing generation of germaphobes who are only doing themselves (and more importantly, their kids) a disservice. Public bathrooms are indeed disgusting. But they're disgusting for a reason. It's a perfect example of tragedy of the commons where cleaniness of a free publically available toilet is used up and not replaced by certain people. Instead of learning the lesson, we are instead giving in to our germaphobia and jacking up our high horse a bit higher. I won't abide pnp-ing into a public bathroom. My shit is too good for that shithole. I need to find a place worthy of my shitting standards. And I can do that because there are people offering their private homes as a valuable commodity, cleaniness. For others to shit on.

It's just a transaction. But what does that make the user? A snob who needs to use a fucking app to find a place good enough for them to leave their shit in. What do you say when your friend looks up from their phone and asks you to get off the main road and drive 3-4 turns into a residential neighborhood so they can go inside a random house to use their bathroom? Do you ask them, did you just use your phone to order yourself an one-time bathroom use at a stranger's house?

What does this make the renter? A fucking bathroom janitor. That's what. You didn't strike on some golden principal that people will treat a pristine golden bathroom with respect. If they're renting your bathroom, your house is a public bathroom and people will tread shit all over it and leave piss on the floor just the same. And you're the one wiping up that stranger's piss. Because you're a rent-seeker.

What does this make the business who initially turns away non-patrons who need to use a bathroom really desperately? A terrible business run by a terrible businessperson. Because I've always seen people follow the general social custom that you should patron the place you just shat in. But the small subset of bathroom needers who might get away with not giving you business afterwards ruins it for everyone else, right? How dare they? Using your bathroom FOR FREE. You pay workers a minimum wage PER HOUR to clean that fucking place. And you provide that water to flush their shit out of your toilet. That costs all of $0.005 per flush or so. After a hundred people took a shit or a piss, you would have lost two quarters. And at the rate we're destroying the planet and water is becoming scarce, holy fuck, you'll soon be losing a whole dollar per 100! How can you even afford to run your business like this?

Transactions in a capitalist market are supposed to facilitate a winning trasaction for both sides. There are no winners here. Just assholes.

This is what I call real innovation! I am almost tempted to build one myself. It is very easy to attach some plastics to each by ironing them together.

First link busted - missing the : in http://

Fear not! Charlie Hebdo will stand up for our Freedom

That's actually a good point... It's entirely possible the energy cost of washing a cloth bag is more than producing and disposing of several one-time-use plastic bag. Now somebody just needs to actually prove it...

Its only Tonga. I'm, sure they have a wonderful army/navy/marines/airforce. But Billshooter Nation has a fiercely loyal subject with no combat experience since kindergarten, no training, no weapons, the strength of 1/10 th of a normal man, and a budget of $10. So I think we're good.

Asians and Indians. One squatting on top of the loo the other exploding all over. Yuck.