Poll 2015-08-17 I'd like to see some innovation in:
Poll
I'd like to see some innovation in:
Home heating/cooling/management tech
11 votes (18%)
TV/Radio/Movies
3 votes (5%)
Communications
3 votes (5%)
Govt issues (record keeping, healthcare)
10 votes (16%)
Public transportation systems
16 votes (26%)
Banking systems
7 votes (11%)
Safety/Security, incl. 'anti-terrorism'
2 votes (3%)
Education
10 votes (16%)
Reply 21 comments

Quite (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-08-17 09:47 (#HKXY)

I find this new poll to be very innovative. Multiple choice tick boxes!

I can't take the poll (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-08-17 14:31 (#HMKJ)

I see no buttons at all or any link that says "take poll here". Do you have to register/login first? If so, a note to AC's telling them (us) so might be nice.

Re: I can't take the poll (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-08-17 16:36 (#HN1R)

It's available from the front page, but I think you have to be logged in. How else would you track the anonymous ones?

Re: I can't take the poll (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-08-18 14:14 (#HQXF)

Thanks AC, I guess you could do a stacked chart. Logged in votes in blue and AC votes in orange. ACs can give their opinion in comments ... why not in polls? It could be a configuration toggle in |. that allows ACs or not in polls in case it gets abused. I don't really think someone would take the trouble to hijack an informal poll like this. Maybe 1 AC vote per IP address too?

Additional sensors for dynamic HVAC (Score: 1)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 15:10 (#HMQZ)

Its really sad how expensive a quality HVAC thermostat system is. I found one Honeywell system that would actually maybe kinda do something smart, but it would be in the thousands of dollars price point, and intended for commercial applications.

What is needed is:

A system of thermostats that all talk to each other and wirelessly control floor vents. So if the room where the thermostat is is not representative of the whole house, additional thermostats can be paired to give the system more data points to consider. With optional computer controlled vents, the system can further be optimized.

This was my hope for Nest. But years later, there has been no improvement. there is no algorithm that will solve a problem for which there is only incomplete input data.

Re: Additional sensors for dynamic HVAC (Score: 2, Insightful)

by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 17:00 (#HN2R)

A system of thermostats that all talk to each other and wirelessly control floor vents.
Maybe I misunderstand your idea, but it sounds like you want an ultra-high-tech system that can be more easily solved by an inexpensive low-tech one. Much like those smartphone controlled LED lights, when a switch or motion-sensor does the job just as well...

It's very easy and not too expensive to slice-up a home HVAC system into multiple zones that work independently. You can have a fairly low-tech (possibly wireless) thermostats in several rooms, if you so desire, controlling the damper for that zone. What's more, inexpensive mini-split systems are naturally zoned this way, too.

And that's more-expensive and more complex than most homes need... A wireless thermostat that can be put in the coldest or warmest room of the house is cheap, and basic mechanical dampers can be used to reduce the airflow in other rooms/zones which heat/cool more quickly.

Re: Additional sensors for dynamic HVAC (Score: 1)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 17:18 (#HN52)

Having the vents computer controlled, would allow the system to figure out the optimal settings for all of them to get the desired temperature and efficancy goals.

But aside from the vent problem, do you have any links on how to splice up a HVAC to multiple zones? I tried looking but maybe my google foo is stale. That's 90% of the problems I face with my house and at the office as well.

Re: Additional sensors for dynamic HVAC (Score: 2, Informative)

by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 18:29 (#HNAH)

do you have any links on how to splice up a HVAC to multiple zones?
You might be happy with very cheap, minimal effort battery & timer-controlled "vent-misers":

http://www.amazon.com/Vent-Miser-91667-BR-Programmable-Energy-6-Inches/dp/B000WAA8XM/

For the basic (manually adjusted) dampers, you can see the first segment of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8jM9z3scQk

And the last 5 minutes of this one:

https://youtu.be/UPbjM08DGZY?t=18m23s

For an automatic zoning retrofit, it's easiest to find one of the forced-air zoning retrofit kits like the Honeywell TrueZone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G7ZOsNGBJU

Though you can really do the same thing by buying a few line-level thermostats and motorized dampers, separately instead of depending on their expensive and advanced multi-zone thermostat systems that are part of the kit.

The high-tech pneumatic retrofit options might be easier to install (and therefore worth the extra expense) in some situations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2EJLhZ939A

http://www.retrozone.com/Catalog/retrofit.htm

Well, at least that should be enough to get you started.

Re: Additional sensors for dynamic HVAC (Score: 1)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 19:49 (#HNJ4)

Well, thanks for point me in the right direction. If the vents aren't smartly controlled, then they aren't going to be of use for what I was imagining.

However, the multi temp can be achieved cheaper than the last time I looked with these products: I

http://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-THX9321R5030-Prestige-2-0-Thermostat/dp/B008BZ5GXW

http://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-C7189R1004-Wireless-Indoor-Sensor/dp/B005Y0VTB0/

Re: Additional sensors for dynamic HVAC (Score: 1)

by bryan@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 17:39 (#HN6N)

Maybe I misunderstand your idea, but it sounds like you want an ultra-high-tech system that can be more easily solved by an inexpensive low-tech one.
Indeed. Instead of investing in an expensive and complex set of electronics, upgrade the underlying physical system instead. When upgrading my own house, my first instinct was to "make it smart" with fancy thermostats, multiple zones, and plenty of monitoring. However, after weighing my options, I realized far greater gains can be made by simply buying a correctly sized efficient HVAC system. My new system is twice as efficient (26 seer vs 13 seer) and performs much better than any amount of electronic trickery could have acomplished.

Re: Additional sensors for dynamic HVAC (Score: 1)

by zafiro17@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 19:29 (#HNG2)

If the 'solution' doesn't involve a cool app for my new smartphone, it doesn't count as progress :)

... kidding.

Re: Additional sensors for dynamic HVAC (Score: 1)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 20:28 (#HNJ5)

Indeed. Instead of investing in an expensive and complex set of electronics,
I don't think it should be expensive or complex. I think it should be stupid simple. and require no more skill and no more cost than installing a smoke alarm. It doesn't need a google sized data center to process temp info... Heck a raspberry pi would be overkill in terms of processing power.

The office I work in now, is a credit to how terrible professional systems can be.

Also of note, My existing system is already highly efficient. For my personal needs I want this change due to comfort rather than cost. The temp of the current area the thermostat is in isn't representative of the whole house at all times. Maybe if I replaced the windows, added a whole house fan, and an attic fan, that would help as well. But the cost effective solution probably isn't a new HVAC system.

Re: Additional sensors for dynamic HVAC (Score: 1)

by bryan@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 17:52 (#HN7V)

Michael, from Phoronix, had an interesting rant today about his Nest system malfunctioning. Apparently he has 10 of the wifi-connected temperature/fire sensors and one of them started to misbehave, leading all of them to propagate the faulty alarm code and blaze their alarms.

I liked his sledgehammer approach to deal with the malfunctioning unit. :)

Dealing with the government (Score: 2, Insightful)

by spacebar@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 15:31 (#HMSX)

Anybody here in the good old US of A knows what a royal pain in the ass it can be dealing with the government. The web presence of various agencies seems to be stuck in 1998, when you could get information from a site but not do anything with it. At this point the entire trademark process should be doable online, but it very much isn't. That and taxes. There's gotta be a better way. We shouldn't needaccountants and or software to file our taxes. Has anybody had similar difficulties with Uncle Sam?

Re: Dealing with the government (Score: 1)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 17:43 (#HN5C)

Why shouldn't we need software or accountants to file taxes? Just because? Or are you really just advocating for a different tax scheme, that will screw people in new and interesting ways?

Or upon further thought, you could be advocating for an automagic system with the same rules and rates of today. Already people have deductions taken straight from their paychecks, but its stupid based a number of assumptions. Then at tax time, you have to do a bunch of manual entry, even with tax software. It *should* be automagic, with a clear obvious audit trail that makes everything review-able. All income directly reported to the IRS. All mortgage payment info sent directly to the IRS. All property tax, 401 k contributions, iras, etc. Even for things like the previous energy credits could be automagic. You just have a web portal that explains and breaks down where your taxes are and allows you to see what changes various deductions and lifestyle changes will make. Of course, you can kiss privacy good by a little more. But its not information that the government didn't already have if you were filling in your taxes. It might just get some information form people that wouldn't have used it for tax deductions, for some reason.

Re: Dealing with the government (Score: 1)

by zafiro17@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 19:28 (#HNG1)

I'm with you on that one. The USG could/should be providing better data in more usable formats, offering more online services, and being much more creative. Unfortunately - and I can say this as a former USG employee - the governemnt (maybe all governments) seems to better attract mild-mannered, "follow the rules" types focused on implementing someone else's decision, than really being creative.

CATO has a lot to say about this - have a look at http://cato.org if you're curious.

All of the above... (Score: 2, Interesting)

by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2015-08-17 19:12 (#HNES)

Home heating/cooling/management tech - Heat-pumps are coming along nicely, but are still too rare and much too expensive at the low-end. I can get a window A/C unit for maybe $120, and could install it BACKWARDS with some small modifications (power source and thermostat), but it's rare to find a unit that does heating and cooling under $600... Most anything cheaper than that is "supplemental heat", which means they just jammed a space-heater (coils) inside a window A/C unit.
Cheapest real heat-pump I've found is: This $470 Frigidaire FFRH0822R1.

TV/Radio/Movies - The advance of technology is causing fundamental shifts we can just start to see now, but it will take some time to shake-out. Lower cost of production, lower costs of delivery, and more outlets for distribution are going to have huge effects. I'm glad there's plenty of pretty good older content out there now, to bridge the gap as everybody tries to figure it out.

Communications - I think we've got that covered. Remember back when ham was popular as an alternative to astronomically expensive international phone calls? Now a $20 cell phone can jump on WiFi and make free international phone calls to and from anywhere in the world.

Govt issues (record keeping, healthcare) - Everybody hates taxes, and the code is due for a massive overhaul to make the super-rich pay a fair percentage, and make the amount owed a far simpler formula that eliminates the hours and billions spent on accountants. But there's nothing innovative in that, just proper governance. In general, I get nervous when the government starts "innovating"... The NSA has gotten far too "innovative" in recent years for my taste.

Public transportation systems - I anxiously await Futurama-style people-mover tubes. However, self-driving cars combined with all-electric propulsion could be pretty efficient, quicker and very comfortable. Just imagine a self-driving motorhome with batteries and rooftop solar panels... You could just wake-up, still at home, but in a new city every day.

Banking systems - We're starting to see things like micro-loans, pay-by-cell phone, etc. But "innovation" to them, is just more sneaky ways to get more money out of unsuspecting people. I'd rather they didn't "innovate" like that much if at all...

Safety/Security, incl. 'anti-terrorism' - We're a small step away from everybody recording everything that happens, everywhere, all the time. It will become considerably harder to get away with any crimes. Combined with everyone's whereabouts at all times of day/night being on-record at the phone company, law enforcement seems to have a big change looming.

Education - Technology doesn't help without a change in culture. Forcing students to read Moby Dick on a tablet won't make it any more relevant to kid's lives, today. Huge amounts of money were spent to get TVs and VCRs in every classroom, only to be used to watch Hollywood films when the teacher feels like taking a break. Meanwhile, students are forced to read famous plays, be told about world events that happened on-camera, read about physics/biology/chemistry when video would get so much more across more quickly, etc., etc. And more recently, lots of money spent on computers that are largely off-limits to students, locked-down to the point that they might just as well be replaced with electronic typewriters or word processors. The system would be better served to use that money on teacher salaries, and migrate away from mostly attendance-based grading.

Energy (Score: 2, Insightful)

by venkman@pipedot.org on 2015-08-19 01:43 (#HSRG)

The world has a crisis of energy that we are currently throwing resources at, but eventually we will have to pay the piper. Cutting waste is a big part of it, but we will need a long term source of energy once fossil fuels become harder to extract.

systemd (Score: -1, Offtopic)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-08-20 13:00 (#HYKA)

Finishing it would be a good start. How about some help files? Uninstall script would be appreciated. Let's all play nice in the sandpit, eh?