Opensource game rejected from Debian for authors' social beliefs

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in linux on (#2V55)
An open source casino video game was recently posted to the Debian bug tracker as a request for packaging, as is the standard method for pursuing such things in Debian. The bug was quickly closed, tagged as "won't fix." The reason given by one of the Debian developers alluded to the authors' conservative views and his advocacy of them.

The author in question clearly expressed his views back in 2005, resulting in him being the first person ever banned from Debian mailing lists, and a month later from the bug tracking system.

The piece of software in question is licensed under the GPL and is one of the only of it's kind for Linux (ASCII-art console slot machine software). Is professing progressive politics now a hard requirement for being allowed to contribute to open source?

[Ed. note: The question is, rather, where should the line be between personal and professional?]
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"Conservatism" (Score: 3, Insightful)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2014-11-21 20:31 (#2V57)

Although I would not consider myself to be conservative. I don't think MikeeeUSA's behavior would be tolerated by any mainstream political movement. He's not being targeted for his political beliefs, but for his trolling behavior. Plus, that was like one guy suggesting that it not be packaged, not a Debian wide decision or policy.

Re: "Conservatism" (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 08:06 (#2V5C)

It was closed as "won't fix". That's as close to a debian-wide policy as one might get without a TC
or GR decision.
As recently as 100 years ago the views expressed were mainstream.
(Or 25 years ago for the deep south)

Re: "Conservatism" (Score: 2, Informative)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2014-11-24 14:42 (#2V7S)

1) No. This is Debian Policy:

https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/

Nothing in there about the views of the upstream author, only about the actual license of the software.

2) The guy's an asshole first and foremost. While I wouldn't agree with them if he made them in a more civil manner, I think a nicer presentation of them would be tolerated by more people. I don't agree with many people's opinions on politics outside of the free software movement. I would fight for the inclusion of his work, if it were meaningful ( and not a game), and he were not an asshole. As an upstream, I believe it would be very difficult for anyone to deal with him, especially a female.

Re: "Conservatism" (Score: 2, Interesting)

by cge@pipedot.org on 2014-11-25 07:36 (#2V8Q)

Mikee! I'd almost completely forgotten about you!

Those of you unfamiliar with them might find Mikee's maps for the old Linux crossfire rpg enlightening. Apart from being horribly buggy, they have "views" that were certainly never mainstream spread throughout them. Female characters have ridiculous, puerile dialogue, bizarre references to torturing feminists and being rewarded with child brides abound... the whole thing seemed completely unhinged.

Re: "Conservatism" (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 12:25 (#2V93)

Doesn't crossfire take place in a medieval fantasy world?

Re: "Conservatism" (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-26 18:38 (#2V9W)

Doesn't crossfire take place in a medieval fantasy world?
No, that's mikee's life!

Re: "Conservatism" (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-27 17:12 (#2VA4)

If only.

Re: "Conservatism" (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-27 17:12 (#2VA5)

Pretty sure crossfire takes place in a medieval fantasy world tho...

Re: "Conservatism" (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 14:56 (#2V7Y)

I feel like we're missing something here. His troll post resembles many reactions I've seen over the years, which come almost exclusively after some other sequence of events has brought things to that point. And what I've seen just of the way Debian does things would make me all the more surprised if he hadn't already been goaded on by 2005 with completely irrelevant issues that had nothing to do with his code.

This is all presumption on my part, but the point is, there are gaps to fill in if we want the full story.

Re: "Conservatism" (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-26 09:23 (#2V9J)

Anything written against systemd in Debian is "trolling", so maybe you're right.

Re: "Conservatism" (Score: 2, Informative)

by starbreaker@pipedot.org on 2014-11-26 16:43 (#2V9P)

Having read the linked email, I'd suggest that "death to women's rights" is better described as reactionary, rather than merely conservative.

Re: "Conservatism" (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-27 17:15 (#2VA7)

So double conservative:
Regressive.

spelling (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-21 20:35 (#2V58)

"it's" should be "its".That's all.

Re: spelling (Score: 1)

by wootery@pipedot.org on 2014-11-24 18:43 (#2V80)

Subject should be Spelling, not spelling.

There should be a space between the first period and the T.

Re: spelling (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 18:49 (#2V81)

Yes, I should have previewed the post. I forgot that hitting ENTER twice resulted in no space at all.

As for the subject, I suppose you're right. Internet points for all!

Something missing? Something changed? (Score: 1)

by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-21 21:41 (#2V5A)

I cannot find any
Is professing progressive politics now a hard requirement for being allowed to contribute to opensource?
in the given link. Only the answer;
This is code by someone who routinely trolls Debian.....
So from what I see, we a missing huge parts of the story. Anyone able to fill in?

Re: Something missing? Something changed? (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 08:59 (#2V7N)

Author hates feminists.
Debian loves feminists.

Updated article (Score: 1)

by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-11-21 23:33 (#2V5B)

Since everyone seemed very confused (myself included) I've updated the article to include information about MikeeUSA's afore mentioned "conservative views".

I must also muse that open source projects most frequently have the opposite problem: devs facing no consequences for misbehaving and abusing users.

Re: Updated article (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 08:43 (#2V5E)

If you agree with the herd you're golden no matter what.
You go against it, there's no place for you or anything you make.

Re: Updated article (Score: 2, Insightful)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 21:10 (#2V5X)

theres the herd, and then there is just ignorance, which has no place in educated society.

i didn't see any one there rubbing their views in anyones face, only their refusal to allow someone to do it to them who has often before. don't be a dick is the real lesson.

Re: Updated article (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 01:17 (#2V69)

If you agree with the herd you're golden no matter what.
You go against it, there's no place for you or anything you make.
(And are a dick too)

Opensource was much better when feminists, women in general (and their demands to be treated special (women are not special)), were made to feel unwelcome.
Before the Codes of Conduct and the corporate takeover of the thing.

Re: Updated article (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-12-05 00:06 (#2VKK)

When you advocate the death of a subgroup of the herd based only on selfishness and hate, the whole herd is better off without you.

Re: Updated article (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-12-08 07:09 (#2VQ2)

Men would be better off without feminists.
Feminists should be killed.

Re: Updated article (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-03-04 02:30 (#483M)

Mikee? Is that you?

Re: Updated article (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 02:57 (#2V6G)

Fuck you cunt. Hopefully you won't be forever.

Re: Updated article (Score: 2, Insightful)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 04:34 (#2V6K)

There's plenty of place: In your own third party repository. Debian isn't iOS/WinRT...just because the official distro doesn't include software doesn't somehow exclude it from being used by anyone.

That all said, this is part of the issue with the big central repositories trying to have nearly everything all in one centralized place. Nobody would EVER make this kind of fuss over something not being thrown into the main Slackware repositories, because instead of trying to do everything, they focus on maintaining the core, and making things rock solid there (which is why it's one of the only major distros that didn't rush to move away from sysvinit, as Slackware's BSD style init scripts can't really be called a mess to begin with), rather than trying to package up everything and ending up with tons of packages that may or may not actually be tailored to play nice with the rest of the system (anyone remember how fun it use to be to work with multiarch support on Debian a few years ago, or perhaps the state Pulseaudio was in on Debian and associated distros?). It wouldn't be the first distro to crumble after spreading too thin trying to support anything and everything, and considering that it's the biggest defense against Redhat taking a much bigger foothold in the Linux market, I'd have to insist that that would be a terrible eventuality that should be diligently avoided. Perhaps modularizing repositories such that each major official branch sticks to its own specialization, or encouraging more independent repository use rather than leaving them to the domain of power users.

As usual, excess centralization makes things cumbersome and unwieldy. While I won't discount the extent to which the big central repositories have played making things easier to new users, it's time to swing the pendulum back in the other direction a bit while keeping the gains so that good design isn't being sacrificed in the process of catering to the needs of people who just don't have time or inclination to be *nix nerds. It is harder than just throwing "RTFM" around at everyone, but considering that at least the big distros like Debian seem to be trying to attract people that aren't *nix nerds, it's pretty obviously a task worth doing.

Debian has changed, free software has changed. (Score: 1, Interesting)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 08:41 (#2V5D)

Though there's a first for everything, they ban people all the time from the debian mailing lists these days, even for anti-systemd talk. Its their way or no way.

The libertarians that started the free software movement rolling are all gone now, what's left is only social justice warriors who do not take kindly to opposing viewpoints at all.

Re: Debian has changed, free software has changed. (Score: -1, Offtopic)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 15:08 (#2V5Q)

In this case "Its" should have been "It's". C'mon people, it's not hard!

Re: Debian has changed, free software has changed. (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 01:18 (#2V6A)

fuck you cunt.
I see the worthless geek-feminists have arrived.

Re: Debian has changed, free software has changed. (Score: 1, Insightful)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 04:47 (#2V6M)

If you don't like the mob rule approach wherein liberal group think wins out every time, then frankly, I'm not sure what your interest in Debian is in the first place. Sure, FOSS is full of freedom, and nobody is stopping this developer from having his game work on Debian, but at the same time, it's a bit silly to get upset because your cat won't go fetch a frisbee.

Redhat is for corporations for whom software design is to be dictated by workday necessities, Debian (and to a lesser extent a good number of the other major distros, both derived from it and otherwise) for users who want to have everyone vote on what goes into their system (so that it's fair...or something), and Slackware/BSD/Gentoo for those who just want the basics packaged such that they can save some time assembling their system as they see fit, withsout worrying about whether or not some other fuckwits on the internet would approve.

People have reasons for which one they pick, but I've seen a whole lot of people for whatever reason refusing to consider leaving Debian while at the same time raging about the way they do just about everything, as if they don't have other choices. When Debian starts pulling the kind of sketchy shit that the Redhat crowd pulled with systemd and Gnome (among other instances), I'll give a little weight to some of the concerns, but until then, it really just sounds like a lot of whining by people who can't be bothered to just grab down a FREE ISO image and install a system they actually like. Can't think of much of a more liberal attitude than that.

Re: Debian has changed, free software has changed. (Score: -1)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 09:00 (#2V7P)

Debian was awesome before the SJWs took over.

Re: Debian has changed, free software has changed. (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-03-04 04:36 (#488R)

"When Debian starts pulling the kind of sketchy shit that the Redhat crowd pulled with systemd and Gnome (among other instances), I'll give a little weight to some of the concerns"

That time has arrived.

That's what you get for free (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 09:41 (#2V5F)

Yeah, this is very nice. Just ban whatever package you like based on personal preference. While we're at it, why don't we ban software written by an ex-con or someone who doesn't feed stray cats.

This all happens because it's free. Nobody cares about the actual quality. If this whole get-it-for-free system wasn't in place, these two gentlemen could settle their differences and focus on the incoming money. That is how society outside the open source bubble works. People don't like each other, but still cooperate. Unfortunately, the world is full of anti-social hippies with too much time on their hands, killing off whole branches of industries simply by saying 'I will do it for free'.

Re: That's what you get for free (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 12:12 (#2V5J)

Aren't they scum.

The value of your contribution is weighed on the scale of "social progress".
You can contribute gigabytes and it just "doesn't exist" because you didn't bow and scrape to their idols (women, gays, "transgender", whatever)

Re: That's what you get for free (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-12-05 00:13 (#2VKM)

So...they should accept your beliefs as valid so you don't have to accept theirs?

Re: That's what you get for free (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 12:14 (#2V5K)

The former CEO of Mozilla, who founded the browser, should take out hits on the progressives that ousted him.

That would be justice.

Re: That's what you get for free (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 14:52 (#2V7W)

Please, "progressives". Anyone as perpendicularly opposed to free speech as that crowd isn't deserving of the term progressive, and should happily accept the title of totalitarian. They're the same camp as the "feminists" who have done more to undermine women's progress than centuries of institutionalized misogyny could have hoped for in their parroted group-babble.

While I won't condone hits (frankly, it'd undermine his legitimacy), I would agree that he made the wrong choice by stepping down. This juvenile attitude that everyone should agree or be trampled under the herd has been the MO for an ever growing body of spoiled children turned spoiled adults for decades now, and really needs to have its momentum turned around.

To the very 'loud' A.C.... (Score: 2, Informative)

by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-22 10:00 (#2V5G)

...could you take your ranting to where it belongs? It would fit just perfectly in certain /. articles, where I would love to help you to burn karma as much as I can. Here? Not so much. At least not for now. And certainly not in a mailing list for bugs. Thank you.

Re: To the very 'loud' A.C.... (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 12:09 (#2V5H)

Help with the effort, keep submitting to slashdot until it's accepted.

But what about his code? (Score: 1, Interesting)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 15:10 (#2V5R)

Have you looked at the code for the casino game? It's as vile as his screeds against women. I would have rejected it based on that alone, quite apart from the embedded poison easter eggs (look at the code -- you'll see what I mean).

Re: But what about his code? (Score: 1, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 15:40 (#2V5S)

I didn't see any easter eggs, but I didn't look too much anyway. This is priceless though:

} elsif ($lvrstart2 eq '4') {
$lvrb4p = 1;
} elsif ($lvrstart2 eq '5') {
$lvrb5p = 1;
} elsif ($lvrstart2 eq '6') {
$lvrb6p = 1;
} elsif ($lvrstart2 eq '7') {
$lvrb7p = 1;
} elsif ($lvrstart2 eq '8') {
$lvrb8p = 1;
} elsif ($lvrstart2 eq '9') {
$lvrb9p = 1;
} elsif ($lvrstart2 eq '10') {
$lvrb10p = 1;
} elsif ($lvrstart2 eq '11') {
$lvrb11p = 1;
} elsif ($lvrstart2 eq '12') {
$lvrb12p = 1;

Real clever. Local Variable 12 p??

Re: But what about his code? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 21:35 (#2V5Z)

I'm not going to go look again, but there were functions in there that just printed a bunch of drivel to the screen. I think one was a big anti-women vomit-fest, and another was a "graphic" of some sort. Maybe that's what prints out when you win the jackpot.

Re: But what about his code? (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 01:01 (#2V64)

Nope. Prints out when you, being asked which game you wish to play (type a number) instead enter "woman".

Fuck you cunt. It is an opensource casino game and was around before you joined the movement and corrupted it with you social politics and forcing people out you piece of shit.

Re: But what about his code? (Score: 1)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2014-11-24 14:51 (#2V7V)

Ok, now I think it *should* be included in Debian. With the appropriate patch that replaces all the misogynic BS, with something that encourages women coders.

Re: But what about his code? (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-27 17:14 (#2VA6)

Yea, the hate against women should be replaced with love for young girls.

Re: But what about his code? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 14:54 (#2V7X)

Hi MikeeUSA! Having a nice day?

Re: But what about his code? (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 01:15 (#2V68)

Notice it's an "eq" not an ==
That stands for the symbol that has been chosen. Perhaps A, B, C, D should have been used instead
to allow sufferance for you OECD disorder?

Also, isn't it obvious by the variable name lvrstart2 that this is a saved value from a previous spin
IE: "the symbol on screen, on reel 2, is symbol 10, thusly, display symbol 10 when we get to the
ascii-art output routine"
Play the game, it works fine. What is your problem?

Your problem is the author, what he believes, what he's said.
You would have never complained about a block of if-thens (common in programming)
in anything a co-patriot of yours has created. You never would have looked.
There's more than one way to do things. But in your mind, YOUR way is the ONLY way
And ANY man that opposes you you get kicked out (ex: Ted Walther in Debian), or
if they aren't part of your organization you get their work deleted
(esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1310) or you make sure it is not included (now).

Re: But what about his code? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 04:30 (#2V6H)

MikeeUSA, is that you?

Re: But what about his code? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 22:04 (#2V84)

From that reply my guess would be Yes. There goes the neighborhood.

Re: But what about his code? (Score: 3, Informative)

by evilviper@pipedot.org on 2014-11-23 04:31 (#2V6J)

That is an interesting link, actually...
Mikhail Kvaratskhelia (aka 'mikeeeUSA', aka serveral other aliases) is what constitutional lawyers sometimes call a werewolf - the most unappealing possible victim. He is a creepy, repellent, misogynistic crank, given to uttering threats of violent death against female Linux hackers, and quite possibly clinically insane. [...] To judge by the letter and the reports of his past behavior, he is a vile piece of scum; if he were to threaten harm to Ms. Eicher in my presence, I would cheerfully shoot him. -esr

Re: But what about his code? (Score: 1, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 08:17 (#2V7D)

Perhaps he is attempting to win a position...on the front page of thedailywtf.com

Re: But what about his code? (Score: 1, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 08:58 (#2V7M)

Assist!

Re: But what about his code? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 08:26 (#2V7G)

Har har. Reminds me of a uni professor, whom I now suspect could barely code, who required all ints to be prefixed with I_ and constants with C_ etc etc

Re: But what about his code? (Score: 2, Informative)

by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-24 10:06 (#2V7R)

If this is your only complaint. It is called the Hungarian notation. Though often misunderstood and misused, it is still widely used in many projects and hardly a sign for coding skills or the lack of them.

Re: But what about his code? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-12-01 10:07 (#2VF0)

Yeah, it sounds like crappy code from someone with an axe to grind (and the axe is not the lack of ASCII slot machines).
From a SN comment:
It's being presented as just some poor coder being rejected for being disliked, but the code itself has stuff like ASCII spam of "Just Say No To Women's Rights" as a response to certain user input,
See the full comment here: http://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=4994&cid=119286

Re: But what about his code? (Score: -1, Flamebait)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-12-02 16:19 (#2VGZ)

Yep, non-feminists need not apply to debian. Only fucking cunt worshipers allowed.

Re: But what about his code? (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 01:00 (#2V63)

There is no poison, it isn't malware. There is a screen that says get rid of women's rights if you chose to enter "woman" into the "which game would you like to play, pick between 1 and 13".

The game functions properly. It does not crash. It can play thousands and thousands of iterations, because it is strictly typed.

Re: But what about his code? (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 02:57 (#2V6F)

If the code works it works. What's wrong with conditional statements? That's the building block of everything. Guess you don't know that it's all compiled down to machine code and whatever you write in your higher level language will resemble that on the iron.

Free To Be Arrogant (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 16:02 (#2V5T)

Banning a software submission because you oppose the views and behavior of the submitter is actually one of the more intolerantly conservative things that could happen: Deciding that you've locked on to the secret of the universe and that it gives you the privilege of allowing the means to justify the ends you are convinced the universe wants you to impose on everyone else.

This has everything to do with arrogance. If libertarianism FOSS-style has anything to do with it, it's to demonstrate that people inevitably band together in little cliques to seek their own advantage at the expense of others. Libertarianism offers no countervailing force to buffer the abused from the abusers.

Re: Free To Be Arrogant (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-22 21:16 (#2V5Y)

you keep missing the simple point that the only one forcing their views on anyone, coincidentally was the moron-Mike....if he kept his views to himself like everybody else, his code might have been accepted (quality aside)

Re: Free To Be Arrogant (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 01:04 (#2V65)

Nope. Debian-women force their views on everyone in Debian. You must accept the ideals of feminism or you are not welcome in Debian. This was a change.They have kicked men out that were opposed to debian-women, such as Ted Walther. Then they deleted and rejected software from the repos, like "hot girls", because it didn't jive with their ideals of feminism and respect for women.

Debian-Women are who push their views on everyone. They don't even allow you to have software they don't approve of through apt. They are censors, scum.

Re: Free To Be Arrogant (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 01:05 (#2V66)

They also had the authors code deleted from the internet completely some years ago, you can read about it here:
esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1310

Re: Free To Be Arrogant (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 08:46 (#2V6R)

Ok, I wasted my time reading the link and it's not helping your case at all. In fact, it justifies my initial impression...

Re: Free To Be Arrogant (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 01:41 (#2V6D)

It's the geek-feminists who are forcing their views, or rather, disallowing, banning, deleting other views.

This is how all progressives achieve their goals for society.
Eventually they have their detractors speech declared hate speech and have them imprisoned.

Re: Free To Be Arrogant (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 01:08 (#2V67)

libertarianism FOSS-style is dead.
There is only leftist left in the FOSS community now.
The libertarians were kicked out around the mid 2000s (or just went away).

Re: Free To Be Arrogant (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 15:43 (#2V6Z)

which is very good... I mean come on, what you read on the libertarian party website is straight up crazy and damaging.
and fwiw, centrist non-feminist here.

Re: Free To Be Arrogant (Score: -1, Offtopic)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 16:02 (#2V70)

What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

Freedom is damaging? To whom? Politicians and bureaucrats?

Notice (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 01:19 (#2V6B)

Notice how the geek-feminists and SJW fucks are labeling everything they don't like as a "Troll"

Re: Notice (Score: 2)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 08:33 (#2V6Q)

Nope. They just don't like your hate speech, Mikee... Even if you had a point, you've already lost your audience by the time you make it. Next time, try this first: Don't introduce yourself as a woman-hating asshole.

Re: Notice (Score: 2, Interesting)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 11:06 (#2V6S)

I respect his right to hate females. I do not respect him for his stance. I believe everyone should be judged on their code, methodology, output, coherence, bugs, elegance, but not on their alignment. Take it from evil POV: if ISIL released a worthy successor FPS to the reigning champions of today I would congratulate then and give it a whirl. Just imagine it.. Jihadi Master - America Dies Now. Kill the unbelievers, take their women, raid their riches, conquer the World. Just because they are crazy assed loons with an invisible man inferiority complex is no reason alone to outright diss their potential positive contributions to humanity.

Re: Notice (Score: 1)

by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-23 11:40 (#2V6T)

I just don't respect it here. If one checks out 'Tanuki64' on Slushdot, one can easily see, that very often I say exactly the same things. So there really is no way to confuse me with a geek, feminist SJW. The difference is, I don't pour the hate slurry everywhere I go, but where it belongs: As response of misandric feminazi propaganda, which nowadays is far too often given a platform on Slushdot. I was happy, that |. was free of this sickness. Though I expected and expect SJW subversion attempts as soon as |. gets more popular, I am surprised and disgusted by this totally unprovoked trolling spree from 'the other side'. And yes... guilty of voting 'Troll' for most of his posts.

Initially I voted to have this article here and apologize for it. I had no idea what was behind it. From the initial wording of the article it wasn't obvious that it was no |. material and as Debian user it looked interesting enough to me.

For me this topic is done now. With one small disclaimer, which I cannot and never want to hold back in this context:
Hating feminists is not hating women or misogyny. Just as hating nazis isn't racism. The distinction between feminists and women should be always made.

Re: Notice (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 13:23 (#2V6W)

It is possible to be a feminist and not be a women so distintion noted. Can you hate muslims and not be a racist?

Re: Notice (Score: 1, Informative)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 13:38 (#2V6X)

I believe the judicious comparison would be that you can hate islamists and not be a racist. Most muslims are not islamists and despise them.

Re: Notice (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 08:19 (#2V7E)

Wait.. what? Islam = muslim .. so...

Re: Notice (Score: 1)

by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-23 14:09 (#2V6Y)

Even more correct: Not every women is a feminist and not every feminist is a women.

And as the other A.C. noted:
I believe the judicious comparison would be that you can hate islamists and not be a racist.
I agree. Feminism, islamism, nazism are all radical inhuman "superiority" cults. There are only two differences: One difference is who is deemed superior and who is deemed the subhuman. The other is that some already had their killing spree, while others are still dreaming about it. IMHO they all should be shunned exactly the same.

Re: Notice (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 08:57 (#2V7K)

Feminism is having it's killing spree in afghanistan.
It allready has it's jailing spree for decades.

Re: Notice (Score: -1)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 07:43 (#2V7C)

This discussion is not over.

Re: Notice (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 08:23 (#2V7F)

Oh good. So glad. The whole thread took a dove right after Hitler was mentioned. You are right. Let us move on.

"Opensource game rejected from Debian because feminists don't like it" (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 01:40 (#2V6C)

An opensource casino video game was recently posted to
the debian bug tracker as a request for packaging, as
is the standard method for pursuing such things in debian.

The bug was quickly closed, tagged as "won't fix"
The reason given by one of the debian developers
alluded to the authors anti-feminist views and his
advocacy of them:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770314

The piece of software in question is licensed
under the GPL and is one of the only of it's
kind for linux (ascii-art console slot machine software)

Is professing pro female liberty politics now a hard requirement
for being allowed to contribute to opensource?

The answer: Yes.

Fight back. (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-23 02:07 (#2V6E)

Conservatives that own businesses should retaliate
by firing any free-software advocate from their positions?
One can only hope

Conservative views? (Score: 4, Insightful)

by dgoodmaniii@pipedot.org on 2014-11-23 13:19 (#2V6V)

It's hard for me to see how these views could be described as "conservative," unless you predefine that term to mean "sexist and/or generally distasteful." In any case, it seems clear to me that he was banned not for his views, but his socially poisonous rhetoric. There's a pretty clear line between "feminism is ultimately a bad thing" and "I hate you all, your group is terrible, and women are worthless scum, and by the way you're all also probably whores." The first might be described as a "conservative view"; the second is poisonous to all useful discourse (not to mention bad and wrong, but that's opinion). If this nastiness affected his code, then as someone who could reasonably be described as "conservative" on some issues, I have no problem with it being excluded. Maybe a cleansed fork would be possible.

Re: Conservative views? (Score: -1, Flamebait)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 08:54 (#2V7H)

Go read the old testament.
That's conservative.
Not what you're claiming is conservative.

Re: Conservative views? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 08:56 (#2V7J)

Once upon a time men were allowed to marry female children.
Then a liberal group, feminists, had that outlawed.
This occurred from the late 1800s till the early 2000s, by then
it was complete the world over.

The first position was conservative.
The second, newer position, was and is liberal.

Re: Conservative views? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 09:41 (#2V7Q)

Once upon a time? It still happens today. Some countries have specific laws and protocols to prevent minors from being forced to marry overseas then returned home afterward "legally" married

Re: Conservative views? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 05:39 (#2V8K)

No white countries. Not one.
And a minor isn't a child.
A child is a child.
A minor is a young adult 1/2 the time.

Re: Conservative views? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 08:39 (#2V8T)

Still happens today in 2014 in Australia and in England. It is bad enough in Australia that there was a law passed specifically to prevent forced marriage of minors.

Re: Conservative views? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 08:42 (#2V8V)

Re: Conservative views? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-12-08 07:08 (#2VQ1)

14 is a young woman, not a girl.
So yes, really.

Re: Conservative views? (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 05:40 (#2V8M)

Feminists should be killed.

Re: Conservative views? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 09:55 (#2V8W)

Are they really so bad that the only solution is death? I propose a better solution: let them rant and rave, take onboard the good that they have to offer, ignore the bad, and let us all get on with Life.

Re: Conservative views? (Score: -1, Offtopic)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 12:24 (#2V92)

Yes.

There are virtually no places left that men may marry young girls for instance.
Why is that? Feminist activism.
How could it be that powerful? Well bombs from an empire are pretty hard to argue with, as are economic threats.

They don't leave men alone.

Re: Conservative views? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 13:10 (#2V95)

Well, if the "men" are trying to "marry" "young girls" I should hope that someone steps in then slowly and carefully explains to them what statutory rape is.
Laws are being passed around the world to prevent forced marriage, and prevent marriage before the age of 18. This is a Good Thing.
If you disagree, then please state why.

Perhaps, centuries ago, when a self proclaimed prophet walked the earth who had a lust for pubescent girls this behaviour was accepted. It is not so now.

Re: Conservative views? (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-26 09:13 (#2V9H)

Those people passing those laws, and those activists, need to be killed.
Sometimes they are killed in Pakistan and Afghanistan. This is a good thing.
Sometimes advanced forms of such activists are killed in Russia, this is also a shocking, almost unbelievable, but good thing.

Girl children are often very pretty and cute. They are desirable to males. For that reason
it is bad that such laws you are talking about are passed.

Additionally straight up forcible rape of an unespoused young girl is fine in the Old Testament
(Deuteronomy 22 28-29 (hebrew)), though the man must pay the father and keep the girl if discovered.

That same book also states that those trying to get someone to follow another rule/judge/god (the hebrew can mean any of these things) than that found there is to be killed.

IE: The activists you speak of.
The Pakistanis, the Afghans, Putin's friend from the caucuses, they are all doing what the Old Testament God
of the book of Deuteronomy commands.

Re: Conservative views? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-26 13:22 (#2V9M)

Killing lawmakers passing laws to protect young females is unacceptable. In any case, if we killed people we didn't like we would run out of people soon enough.

Re: Conservative views? (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-27 17:17 (#2VA8)

Nope, they keep making new ones.

"Killing lawmakers passing laws to protect young females is unacceptable."
That is incorrect. It is very acceptable, should be encouraged and applauded.

Girls were made for men.

MikeeUSA ? TBI or psychotic breakdown? (Score: 1)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2014-11-24 21:20 (#2V82)

Anyone know his backstory? Is he truly trolling everyone ? Did he suffer a Traumatic Brain injury? Wen't through a nasty divorce?

Whatever his back story. I've seen the latter two transform people, from well adjusted men, to violently anti woman. The guy needs help. Like call the nearest in patient and get him forcibly admitted kind of help.

Re: MikeeUSA ? TBI or psychotic breakdown? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 21:56 (#2V83)

I have worked with a victim of the latter for years. Turned a hard working IT expert into a slacking sarcastic depressive moron who has trouble now just getting to work. His negativity soaks the workplace bringing everyone down while he outwardly appears to be your standard friendly middle aged IT guy. He puts more effort into avoiding work and hurting others than actually work. Many times tasks which should take hours drag on for weeks. None of his friends can believe he acts like this at work. He is a broken man. Losing his house along with just about everything else cracked him. Probably the straw which broke the camels back was his wife's successful claim against his future earnings. He kills productivity. Our own version of Wally.

Re: MikeeUSA ? TBI or psychotic breakdown? (Score: -1, Flamebait)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-24 22:23 (#2V85)

Slaves in the south weren't so keen on working hard either.
That guy at your workplace needs to pull a Hans Reiser.

Re: MikeeUSA ? TBI or psychotic breakdown? (Score: 2, Interesting)

by billshooterofbul@pipedot.org on 2014-11-25 00:00 (#2V87)

Yeah... My old company had to let a guy go after a break, post divorce. He took out his revenge on women at work, in a profane and disgusting way. They took out a restraining order on him ( or so I was told).

Re: MikeeUSA ? TBI or psychotic breakdown? (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 03:15 (#2V8C)

Hopefully he killed the wife, and possibly those women who took out restraining orders on him.

Reiser did the right thing. Bless him.

Re: MikeeUSA ? TBI or psychotic breakdown? (Score: 2, Funny)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 03:21 (#2V8D)

Yes! Pipedot has made it. We now have our own trolls.

Re: MikeeUSA ? TBI or psychotic breakdown? (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-27 17:18 (#2VA9)

Reiser did nothing wrong

Re: MikeeUSA ? TBI or psychotic breakdown? (Score: 2, Funny)

by zafiro17@pipedot.org on 2014-12-02 13:06 (#2VGQ)

Maybe this article was like a honeypot for A/C trolls, who have vowed to wage war on each other.

Re: MikeeUSA ? TBI or psychotic breakdown? (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-12-02 16:17 (#2VGY)

Reiser did nothing wrong

Re: MikeeUSA ? TBI or psychotic breakdown? (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2015-05-29 15:07 (#A0T4)

+1 hope he killed

Why do you agree with debian's decision. (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 00:28 (#2V88)

If someone asked you to chose which of these banks you would like to do business with:
1) Chase
2) Wells Fargo
3) Vatican
4) Bank of England
5) Valartis
6) LGT
7) Raiffeisen
8) DBS
9) UOB
10) OCBC
11) SPDB

And your answer was "muh dick". Should they say "ah yes, wells fargo it is"?
Why should it be any different if you instead say "some bitch", or an analogue thereof?
(Or in this case "The bank I wish to do business with is "feminists" or "woman", I reject all your preselected options")

Since when has opensource been professional?
It is (or it was, perhaps there was a takeover of some sort) people doing things for free as a hobby in their spare time.

The fact of the matter is the program in question does what it was programmed to do:
It allows you to virtually gamble in a text console. It even includes a stockmarket.
It doesn't crash and doesn't have any known vulnerabilities.
Debian rejected it because the author's opinions are in opposition to SJWs opinions. That's it.

Re: Why do you agree with debian's decision. (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 00:33 (#2V89)

No, because for the billionth time, he's an asshole. Not for his opinions. I know a few people who firmly believe women should never work, and always defer to men. But, they are always pleasant to talk to and treat everyone with respect. If they had written a program, it would not have been rejected.

Re: Why do you agree with debian's decision. (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 03:14 (#2V8B)

So reject a program because you don't like the author.
Yep.

Bet you want ReiserFS removed from the kernel as well.
Your position is not defensible. You are a totalitarian.
The opensource movement wouldn't have gotten anywhere if
it was started today with people like you.

Re: Why do you agree with debian's decision. (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 04:29 (#2V8E)

Why is it so important to you that Debian include this package? In what universe do they owe that to you? They can reject a program for any reason they want. To say otherwise is totalitarian.

Re: Why do you agree with debian's decision. (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 05:15 (#2V8H)

Please stop feeding the troll. Our only dyed in the wool troll surely, who has been fed enough today.

Re: Why do you agree with debian's decision. (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-25 14:20 (#2V97)

No, I wasn't saying that I agreed with the position. I was saying that is why the decision was made. And frankly, as others have pointed out there were plenty of other reasons to reject the program.

Re: Why do you agree with debian's decision. (Score: -1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-26 08:59 (#2V9G)

There were zero proper reasons to reject the program. Debian packages many text console games of similar value and complexity.

The Debian developers rejected the game solely because they are feminists.

Re: Why do you agree with debian's decision. (Score: 0)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-26 13:20 (#2V9K)

Please provide evidence to support this claim?

Re: Why do you agree with debian's decision. (Score: -1)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-27 17:12 (#2VA3)

DFSG Compliant.
Text console game.
Same/Similar quality as boatloads of other text console games in Debian.
One of the only programs of its type in the field (text console _casino_ games).

Really great.... in another thread I said... (Score: 1)

by tanuki64@pipedot.org on 2014-11-26 18:44 (#2V9X)

...that a certain amount of trolls is necessary to keep a thread or even a whole forum alive.
I only wish, it wasn't that kind of troll here, which created a honey pot for A.C.s and soon
more than 100 posts, which proves me right. :-/

Re: Really great.... in another thread I said... (Score: 1, Insightful)

by Anonymous Coward on 2014-11-27 08:59 (#2V9Z)

Any advertising is good advertising?