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Please stop feeding the troll. Our only dyed in the wool troll surely, who has been fed enough today.

Three Dell monitors in a row, each of which is 1680x1050, running on two video cards under FreeBSD 10.1. I guess that makes 5040x1050.

Why is it so important to you that Debian include this package? In what universe do they owe that to you? They can reject a program for any reason they want. To say otherwise is totalitarian.

Yes! Pipedot has made it. We now have our own trolls.

Hopefully he killed the wife, and possibly those women who took out restraining orders on him.

Reiser did the right thing. Bless him.

So reject a program because you don't like the author.
Yep.

Bet you want ReiserFS removed from the kernel as well.
Your position is not defensible. You are a totalitarian.
The opensource movement wouldn't have gotten anywhere if
it was started today with people like you.

....ooooh yeaa. gaming and video - only downside is input lag (game-mode only helps so much...)

No, because for the billionth time, he's an asshole. Not for his opinions. I know a few people who firmly believe women should never work, and always defer to men. But, they are always pleasant to talk to and treat everyone with respect. If they had written a program, it would not have been rejected.

If someone asked you to chose which of these banks you would like to do business with:
1) Chase
2) Wells Fargo
3) Vatican
4) Bank of England
5) Valartis
6) LGT
7) Raiffeisen
8) DBS
9) UOB
10) OCBC
11) SPDB

And your answer was "muh dick". Should they say "ah yes, wells fargo it is"?
Why should it be any different if you instead say "some bitch", or an analogue thereof?
(Or in this case "The bank I wish to do business with is "feminists" or "woman", I reject all your preselected options")

Since when has opensource been professional?
It is (or it was, perhaps there was a takeover of some sort) people doing things for free as a hobby in their spare time.

The fact of the matter is the program in question does what it was programmed to do:
It allows you to virtually gamble in a text console. It even includes a stockmarket.
It doesn't crash and doesn't have any known vulnerabilities.
Debian rejected it because the author's opinions are in opposition to SJWs opinions. That's it.

Yeah... My old company had to let a guy go after a break, post divorce. He took out his revenge on women at work, in a profane and disgusting way. They took out a restraining order on him ( or so I was told).

Slaves in the south weren't so keen on working hard either.
That guy at your workplace needs to pull a Hans Reiser.

From that reply my guess would be Yes. There goes the neighborhood.

I have worked with a victim of the latter for years. Turned a hard working IT expert into a slacking sarcastic depressive moron who has trouble now just getting to work. His negativity soaks the workplace bringing everyone down while he outwardly appears to be your standard friendly middle aged IT guy. He puts more effort into avoiding work and hurting others than actually work. Many times tasks which should take hours drag on for weeks. None of his friends can believe he acts like this at work. He is a broken man. Losing his house along with just about everything else cracked him. Probably the straw which broke the camels back was his wife's successful claim against his future earnings. He kills productivity. Our own version of Wally.

Anyone know his backstory? Is he truly trolling everyone ? Did he suffer a Traumatic Brain injury? Wen't through a nasty divorce?

Whatever his back story. I've seen the latter two transform people, from well adjusted men, to violently anti woman. The guy needs help. Like call the nearest in patient and get him forcibly admitted kind of help.

Yes, I should have previewed the post. I forgot that hitting ENTER twice resulted in no space at all.

As for the subject, I suppose you're right. Internet points for all!

Subject should be Spelling, not spelling.

There should be a space between the first period and the T.

Bad? Depends on whom you ask.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/8972949/Dutch-cannibal-TV-presenters-insist-they-did-eat-each-others-flesh.html
http://www.odditycentral.com/funny/dutch-television-hosts-to-eat-each-others-flesh-on-live-tv.html

Some just call it 'crazy'. Above reality....
... below fiction:
The idea of lab grown human flesh for consumption isn't new:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiviral_%28film%29

I must say, I am curious, but definitely not that curious. Pass.

I feel like we're missing something here. His troll post resembles many reactions I've seen over the years, which come almost exclusively after some other sequence of events has brought things to that point. And what I've seen just of the way Debian does things would make me all the more surprised if he hadn't already been goaded on by 2005 with completely irrelevant issues that had nothing to do with his code.

This is all presumption on my part, but the point is, there are gaps to fill in if we want the full story.

Hi MikeeUSA! Having a nice day?

Please, "progressives". Anyone as perpendicularly opposed to free speech as that crowd isn't deserving of the term progressive, and should happily accept the title of totalitarian. They're the same camp as the "feminists" who have done more to undermine women's progress than centuries of institutionalized misogyny could have hoped for in their parroted group-babble.

While I won't condone hits (frankly, it'd undermine his legitimacy), I would agree that he made the wrong choice by stepping down. This juvenile attitude that everyone should agree or be trampled under the herd has been the MO for an ever growing body of spoiled children turned spoiled adults for decades now, and really needs to have its momentum turned around.

Ok, now I think it *should* be included in Debian. With the appropriate patch that replaces all the misogynic BS, with something that encourages women coders.

Is it "bad" that whenever I hear about this artificial meat that's being grown in labs, I hope "people-flavored" is one of the meats that makes it to market?

1) No. This is Debian Policy:

https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/

Nothing in there about the views of the upstream author, only about the actual license of the software.

2) The guy's an asshole first and foremost. While I wouldn't agree with them if he made them in a more civil manner, I think a nicer presentation of them would be tolerated by more people. I don't agree with many people's opinions on politics outside of the free software movement. I would fight for the inclusion of his work, if it were meaningful ( and not a game), and he were not an asshole. As an upstream, I believe it would be very difficult for anyone to deal with him, especially a female.

If this is your only complaint. It is called the Hungarian notation. Though often misunderstood and misused, it is still widely used in many projects and hardly a sign for coding skills or the lack of them.

Once upon a time? It still happens today. Some countries have specific laws and protocols to prevent minors from being forced to marry overseas then returned home afterward "legally" married

Debian was awesome before the SJWs took over.

Author hates feminists.
Debian loves feminists.

Assist!

Feminism is having it's killing spree in afghanistan.
It allready has it's jailing spree for decades.

Once upon a time men were allowed to marry female children.
Then a liberal group, feminists, had that outlawed.
This occurred from the late 1800s till the early 2000s, by then
it was complete the world over.

The first position was conservative.
The second, newer position, was and is liberal.

Go read the old testament.
That's conservative.
Not what you're claiming is conservative.

Har har. Reminds me of a uni professor, whom I now suspect could barely code, who required all ints to be prefixed with I_ and constants with C_ etc etc

Oh good. So glad. The whole thread took a dove right after Hitler was mentioned. You are right. Let us move on.

Wait.. what? Islam = muslim .. so...

Perhaps he is attempting to win a position...on the front page of thedailywtf.com

This discussion is not over.

Actually I am mildly interested. Mildly = not enough to get my lazy *** up and actually install it, but follow with interest BSD articles.

I'm just glad they're putting any work into the console at all. syscons is really dated, sadly and this will set up FreeBSD for bigger and better. I'm seeing a HUGE surge in interest in the BSDs suddenly, and not just because of systemd (watch out, because the FreeBSD team isn't necessarily averse to something like systemd, although probably not systemd itself). I think all the recent cruftiness has led to some Linux fatigue: pulseaudio, btrfs, Gnome3, Wayland, Unity, endlessly-shifting APIs, etc. FreeBSD might be buggy in this edition but it's still pretty darned conservative by any Linux distro's standards, and that's not a bad thing at a time when suddenly many people are taking a renewed interest in alternatives to their favorite Linux distro. Who knows, maybe there will be some converts. Lord knows FreeBSD is a lot more approachable than the other BSDs.

What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

Freedom is damaging? To whom? Politicians and bureaucrats?

which is very good... I mean come on, what you read on the libertarian party website is straight up crazy and damaging.
and fwiw, centrist non-feminist here.

Even more correct: Not every women is a feminist and not every feminist is a women.

And as the other A.C. noted:

I believe the judicious comparison would be that you can hate islamists and not be a racist.

I agree. Feminism, islamism, nazism are all radical inhuman "superiority" cults. There are only two differences: One difference is who is deemed superior and who is deemed the subhuman. The other is that some already had their killing spree, while others are still dreaming about it. IMHO they all should be shunned exactly the same.

I believe the judicious comparison would be that you can hate islamists and not be a racist. Most muslims are not islamists and despise them.

It is possible to be a feminist and not be a women so distintion noted. Can you hate muslims and not be a racist?

It's hard for me to see how these views could be described as "conservative," unless you predefine that term to mean "sexist and/or generally distasteful." In any case, it seems clear to me that he was banned not for his views, but his socially poisonous rhetoric. There's a pretty clear line between "feminism is ultimately a bad thing" and "I hate you all, your group is terrible, and women are worthless scum, and by the way you're all also probably whores." The first might be described as a "conservative view"; the second is poisonous to all useful discourse (not to mention bad and wrong, but that's opinion). If this nastiness affected his code, then as someone who could reasonably be described as "conservative" on some issues, I have no problem with it being excluded. Maybe a cleansed fork would be possible.

I just don't respect it here. If one checks out 'Tanuki64' on Slushdot, one can easily see, that very often I say exactly the same things. So there really is no way to confuse me with a geek, feminist SJW. The difference is, I don't pour the hate slurry everywhere I go, but where it belongs: As response of misandric feminazi propaganda, which nowadays is far too often given a platform on Slushdot. I was happy, that |. was free of this sickness. Though I expected and expect SJW subversion attempts as soon as |. gets more popular, I am surprised and disgusted by this totally unprovoked trolling spree from 'the other side'. And yes... guilty of voting 'Troll' for most of his posts.

Initially I voted to have this article here and apologize for it. I had no idea what was behind it. From the initial wording of the article it wasn't obvious that it was no |. material and as Debian user it looked interesting enough to me.

For me this topic is done now. With one small disclaimer, which I cannot and never want to hold back in this context:
Hating feminists is not hating women or misogyny. Just as hating nazis isn't racism. The distinction between feminists and women should be always made.

I respect his right to hate females. I do not respect him for his stance. I believe everyone should be judged on their code, methodology, output, coherence, bugs, elegance, but not on their alignment. Take it from evil POV: if ISIL released a worthy successor FPS to the reigning champions of today I would congratulate then and give it a whirl. Just imagine it.. Jihadi Master - America Dies Now. Kill the unbelievers, take their women, raid their riches, conquer the World. Just because they are crazy assed loons with an invisible man inferiority complex is no reason alone to outright diss their potential positive contributions to humanity.

Ok, I wasted my time reading the link and it's not helping your case at all. In fact, it justifies my initial impression...

Nope. They just don't like your hate speech, Mikee... Even if you had a point, you've already lost your audience by the time you make it. Next time, try this first: Don't introduce yourself as a woman-hating asshole.

If you don't like the mob rule approach wherein liberal group think wins out every time, then frankly, I'm not sure what your interest in Debian is in the first place. Sure, FOSS is full of freedom, and nobody is stopping this developer from having his game work on Debian, but at the same time, it's a bit silly to get upset because your cat won't go fetch a frisbee.

Redhat is for corporations for whom software design is to be dictated by workday necessities, Debian (and to a lesser extent a good number of the other major distros, both derived from it and otherwise) for users who want to have everyone vote on what goes into their system (so that it's fair...or something), and Slackware/BSD/Gentoo for those who just want the basics packaged such that they can save some time assembling their system as they see fit, withsout worrying about whether or not some other fuckwits on the internet would approve.

People have reasons for which one they pick, but I've seen a whole lot of people for whatever reason refusing to consider leaving Debian while at the same time raging about the way they do just about everything, as if they don't have other choices. When Debian starts pulling the kind of sketchy shit that the Redhat crowd pulled with systemd and Gnome (among other instances), I'll give a little weight to some of the concerns, but until then, it really just sounds like a lot of whining by people who can't be bothered to just grab down a FREE ISO image and install a system they actually like. Can't think of much of a more liberal attitude than that.

There's plenty of place: In your own third party repository. Debian isn't iOS/WinRT...just because the official distro doesn't include software doesn't somehow exclude it from being used by anyone.

That all said, this is part of the issue with the big central repositories trying to have nearly everything all in one centralized place. Nobody would EVER make this kind of fuss over something not being thrown into the main Slackware repositories, because instead of trying to do everything, they focus on maintaining the core, and making things rock solid there (which is why it's one of the only major distros that didn't rush to move away from sysvinit, as Slackware's BSD style init scripts can't really be called a mess to begin with), rather than trying to package up everything and ending up with tons of packages that may or may not actually be tailored to play nice with the rest of the system (anyone remember how fun it use to be to work with multiarch support on Debian a few years ago, or perhaps the state Pulseaudio was in on Debian and associated distros?). It wouldn't be the first distro to crumble after spreading too thin trying to support anything and everything, and considering that it's the biggest defense against Redhat taking a much bigger foothold in the Linux market, I'd have to insist that that would be a terrible eventuality that should be diligently avoided. Perhaps modularizing repositories such that each major official branch sticks to its own specialization, or encouraging more independent repository use rather than leaving them to the domain of power users.

As usual, excess centralization makes things cumbersome and unwieldy. While I won't discount the extent to which the big central repositories have played making things easier to new users, it's time to swing the pendulum back in the other direction a bit while keeping the gains so that good design isn't being sacrificed in the process of catering to the needs of people who just don't have time or inclination to be *nix nerds. It is harder than just throwing "RTFM" around at everyone, but considering that at least the big distros like Debian seem to be trying to attract people that aren't *nix nerds, it's pretty obviously a task worth doing.