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Let's fork Duvean and give it q better name! Tersal?

Good point, why not something like Serval, pronounced Serve-All?

It's pronounced Line-ucks according to Torvalds.

Awright, no smileys here then.

Too bad :-(

:-P
;-)

Woot! I guess it worked. From the FAQ:

Unicode characters for most languages and useful symbols (like math, currency, and punctuation) are allowed. Dingbats, smiley faces, non-printing characters, right-to-left switchers, and other gibberish are filtered.

"do nothing", from the man who's only contribution to the free software community is a crappy casino game, and ideologies that mostly died with hitler.

i think you're butthurt all these chicks code circles around you. Google's head of security is a woman, far more talented, and making far more money than you ever will. you can say its cause shes a girl, but the simple fact is -she is more skilled than you-

a "Man" knows when to 'Man-UP" and take responsibility for sucking at life.

That logo's pretty fucking metal.
+1

Debian changed trajectory at that time. Nothing will change the truth, regardless if the truth is enjoyable or not.

Hans Reiser had the correct solution to the problem you describe.

+1 Awesome! Way to go Mikee, couldn't agree more...

Okay, okay, I'm just fuck'n with you! But see how nice that felt? You could have more of that if you would just stop being such an ignorant ass.

Did anybody else think of Microsoft when reading 'DevOne' for the first time?

Bacon-theory aside, the 'Dev' part could give people the wrong impression that the distro is geared towards developers or research and not intended for production servers...

No, it's lin-nux.

Thanks for the info. Did not know this since I do not use Gnome. But yes, this is what I fear: Too strong dependencies between different unrelated packages. Ok, Debian is not Gentoo. Most distributions have to choose one configuration, which supposedly meets the requirements of most of its users. But I must say, sometimes Debian feels like a bowl of spaghetti... you want to install one package, and it pulls in half of the world. Often with no discernible relation to the desired package. I don't care much about systemd. Some say it is badly codes... so what, it will improve over the years. But it looks like it is poisonous in so far that it reduces choice. And that would be a sad thing. I certainly will watch Devuan.

Gnome3 without systemd would require a fork of Gnome3, which already exists in the form of Cinnamon. This was one of the big parts of what started the systemd uproar in the first place, with weight being thrown around to manipulate independent software projects on the part of the Redhat/systemd cabal.

You don't like that you can't use Gnome3 without systemd? Might want to take it up with Poettering.

Like Linux (lee-nucks, lih-nux, lee-nooks, etc)?

I never click an ad. But I am very interested in "fat research"... No, I am not fat. But this being not fat is not my accomplishment. I eat like crazy. My wife has to struggle with her weight and if I ate what she eats, I'd probably have starved years ago.

I think the results in this article may be flawed, but also interesting. The interesting part (for me) is that they give an actual
mechanism. Not just 'this compound burns your fat', but 'this compound turns white fat into brown fat' and brown fat
is burned when it is cold. <--- simplified and ignored that this result was only received with mice. I'd be even more happy,
when there was some hint how or why berberine is doing what it seems to do in mice.

However, with what we know today, such a singular result can never be satisfying. We know by far not enough about the reasons of obesity. Come on... only ignorant people still believe in the simple formula: The fatties are too lazy and eat too much.

Other results hinted that in some people a virus infection may play a role in body weight. Gut bacteria may play a role. Some experiments were able to show weight reduction by a gut bacteria transplant (*yuck*).

But for me the best hint that there are still unknown mechanisms is the weight increase of lab animals.

Oh, the other distro he ran was dyne:bolic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyne:bolic)

I've been hanging out on the Devuan IRC channel (irc.freenode.net #devuan or #debianfork).

Here's the guy behind Devuan - seems talented/committed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaromil
Here's a suggested/submitted logo that didn't seem that popular when discussed. It's a start, anyway: http://k30.kn3.net/2/1/A/4/F/A/3BD.jpg (seems a bit too metal/cryptic for my tastes).

Why not Gnome3? The problem is not Gnome3, pulseaudio, systemd, the problem is to make choice hard. It was easy for me not to use Gnome. To not to use pulseaudio I just had to kill the process. However, when suddenly more and more services are written, so they won't work without systemd anymore.... it makes me nervous. Regardless of the systemd quality.

I always think that when I see that now ubiquitous WWW ad: "this one secret tip reduces belly fat." Never clicked on it because it's obviously a scam/ad campaign of some sort, but I half-expect to click on it only to find the secret is: "Eat less and get some exercise, fatass!"

Result: |. got all the diacriticals but refused the smiley face at the end. Awright, no smileys here then.
Heart:
Note:
Rook:

I think we had similar discussions about Ubuntu, back in the day: Is it /Ū/BŪN/TŪ/ or /Ə/bƏn/tū/ or what?

Face it: this was nothing more than a pretext to test |.'s Unicode support.

To be fair, not malicious, the amount of excitement isn't unlike when a bunch of us left Slashdot. Yeah, maybe our new project sinks and maybe it swims. But at least it's invigorating to be DOING something about a problem instead of just sucking it up in silence.

I wish them luck, if only to see what they come up with - I think they'll essentially create a product with values/choices like FreeBSD but based on Linux. That's a good thing - people choose Debian for stability. There's enough discontent out there that it's possible to get this machine rolling.

Wow, I never knew that either. A better lesson for 'why not to do business with/name things after people you love' has never existed.

I were him, after the divorce I would've renamed it "Dorkian" or "Dumbian" as a reminder.

Ha ha! Maybe zafiro17 meant "the way Americans who don't speak Chinese say it."

Double ha ha - my captcha starts "Rice, white, .."

This was inevitable. Some years ago Debian welcomed do-nothing women into the fold (Debian-women)
They then kicked out any anti-feminist man from Debian (example: Ted Walther). Today any new
debian developer is vetted by the debian-women.

Techis love feminists. They love social justice warriors. They love the world they live in
where they are eternally denied power, respect, so on and so forth. They enjoy being
cattle prodded towards "Strong" women, and denied young girls.

They love this change that has occured in the world: it becoming a woman's world, rather than a man's.
They love that they would be imprisoned if they ever tried to marry a young girl
(Allowed in the Old Testament: Deuteronomy 22 28-29, hebrew).
They love to be hearded and forced. That is the kind of men they are.
And thus, is it any wonder, that They love the SystemD.

--MikeeUSA--

Thanks for the history lesson. Never knew that.

Now I am wondering if the hard heads will come forward and demand that .deb be changed to .ian with a distro name of Ian
Maybe we could have a poll to see what names Debian would be if this held sway. Ian? Ianalone? Iandme? JustIan? IanOne? Ianian? This could be humorous (special note: only for those with a sense of humor) :)

CowboyBrian sets my resolution

Use GTK2 and an older XFCE version.
Most versions of XFCE don't need GTK3, which fucks alot of things up.

So no Gnome 3, I guess. Good. What about GTK3 ? I use XFCE, which depends on it, so I hope it's included. What I'd really like is a re-write of XFCE that uses QT.

The Lead Dev (Jsomething) has maintained a distro before.
He's an Italian guy with an afro.

His old distro was one of the only that supported wireless way back when.

So I'd say they have some talent already that can pull it off.
Sounds like they're starting small, join and they can go bigger.

A woman who divorced Ian?
Yea that really proves something, maybe not what you're getting at.

When Debian was named the Ian was a romantic.
Now he's a realist. No reason to change the name tho. No airbrushing of history.

I just asked my Chinese gf how to pronounce it. She gave several variations none of which included DevOne.

Agreed with the pronounciation issue, I see it as 'doovian'. This will not be the only distro with multiple names. Go Suse! Or SuSe. Or is that SoosE? Maybe Suzi? The slackers I once worked with spend several days debating this.

Which makes recent antifeminist comments quite funny in the light that the OS is named after a woman. Perhaps if this was more widely known some people would not bother submitting crap casino games if they knew :)

The Google issue is very important and must be considered carefully. Some product name choices lead users lost when trying to find help online. Google itself failed here by reusing common words. Companies spend millions to find product named which are unique and clear. Tiilda comes to mind as good example here. Go Devuan!

I guess you're right. Maybe I was just hoping a fork could right the wrong of Debian's name coming from "Deb + Ian".

I think it works. Anyone who's ever ordered Sechuan chicken will know how to say it. The V in the middle is clearly a reference to SysV. It's short, simple, and I'm imagining a logo like dV, which would work.

There are far worse names out there - just search this site for Friday Distros.

The amount of fanfare given for this announcement is much more than is warranted,

Agreed. Too early for that.

If you have to explain how to pronounce it, you lose interest of potential users.

Ummm... don't think so. How do you pronounce 'Qt'? I rarely speak names, since I mostly communicate with colleagues via mail or forums. And Devuan is very good for googling.

The amount of fanfare given for this announcement is much more than is warranted, but in any case I wish the team well. Based on one thing though, I do believe they have already shown that this fork is more an ideological exercise than an effort to make a distro that is better for users. Picking a name is important and the team has failed miserably. If you have to explain how to pronounce it, you lose interest of potential users. Why not just pick a simple name?

Oh hell no! "Other" is where all the juicy goodness comes out. The regular poll options are just a conversation starter, just something to whet your appetite ...

My work machine consists of a laptop with external monitor. I use the laptop screen as-is but have the monitor (1600xsomething) turned vertically, so I can see an entire page of a Word doc at a time. I keep Outlook on the small screen, and write on the vertical one - bliss (except for the fact I'm at work).

Running 1400x900 at home, which is big enough for me. I actually don't like monitors that are too big. 1400x900 is fine on my desktop, and I think I'd still be fine at 1200x768 (or whatever) on my 12" laptop, back when I was rocking a Pentium III.

This is better submitted as a comment to the other article, not as a new article. Also, I'm tired of this subject.

this isn't news unless something actually happens with the ticket (and even then, personally, i don't care - you alienate yourself from a community by being outwardly pushy, rude and a dick, don't be surprised when they want nothing to do with you - start your own community). if it gets rejected for someactualbulshit reason (troll is troll), feel free to write a real piece instead of just a copy&paste from a mailing list. anyway, they just might not want a slots game in the packages, strictly on gambling objections.

down-voted for presentation format - wall o text just too much to take in; copy-n-pasted the entire webpage...try writing a brief introduction, to get the point across quickly without all the guff

All of the "problems" that you listed, I think are actually quite good developments ( except Unity ).

I disagree. Pulseaudio tries to solve a problem which is much better done in BSD using OSS. JACK is another superior alternative. pulseaudio started as a lame attempt at making a userland mixer and got bloated including "network" sound cards and shit. Still doesn't work properly even on vanilla installations.

I don't know about btrfs.

wayland is just another toy system brought to you by the guys who wrote X11. They are still doing the same stupid stuff, mechanism-but-no-policy shit. Look at how divided and buggy our desktop systems are today. Just effing cut and paste doesn't work too well. Yes, they did make a very nice mechanism for it. You could transfer anything from grocery lists to video sections between applications but they failed to handle the most common cases in a user friendly manner. Same is happening with wayland. Back in the day, GUIs were still something new and a system like X11 made sense for research purposes. Today, we have tons of information about how GUI systems are used, what are the required features etc. wayland, instead of making use of this information and unifying the environment, goes one step further than X11, saying that 'a screen is just a framebuffer, I will let you share it and you will shut up'.

Gnome3 and Unity are desktop environments trying to grow into operating systems. The 'operating system' part of these things are often broken. Virtual file systems, network managers, fucking *thumbnailing* services all work to a degree and are promised to be fixed soon. A couple of years later, they change the whole interface, code structure etc. and all the tools have to be re-written with new but different sets of bugs. Some people do like these environments but there is nothing objectively better about them.

I eat plenty of veggies... But if I would only eat vegetables, I'd probably starve while eating.

Good luck getting people to start taking them!

I also know of plants that protect from weight gain. They're called vegetables. :p